Could “Red Dawn” really happen?

Modern Survival Online – by Rourke

With North Korea rattling its sabers and making threats against the United States – I wondered….“Could Red Dawn really happen?”  For those who may not know what I refer the remake of the 80′s classic Red Dawn features an EMP riddled north-western United States being invaded by North Korea.

I have watched the movie several times and from what I could tell there was some kind of preliminary strike which killed the power to much of the West Coast – then several hours later North Korean bombers and planes arrived in the state of Washington. Troops parachuted to the ground and began taking control of areas. It appears there is a minimal US military response as local military bases, also without power, were slow to react. With no phone service, with no method for people to communicate – chaos soon followed as people panic to understand what is happening. Within a short time the vast majority of the population is obedient to the invaders – except for a small group of young people who escaped into the countryside early on during the invasion.

Could this happen? Could North Korea cause a massive power outage in the northwest, killing all communications – both civilian and military and then carry out a sneak attack and invasion? My initial thought while watching the movie – “This is ridiculous.”

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Let’s take a closer look at North Korea’s military:

North Korea’s Army – North Korea has a substantial military population.

Total active duty personnel  numbers close to 1.1 million soldiers. With amilitary reserve of over 8 million people – North Korea actually has the largest military in the world when it comes to total ground soldiers. They rank4th in the world when looking at strictly active military personnel.

North Korean soldiers

How do other countries compare? Considering just active duty  – the United States ranks #2 with 1.4 million active military personnel while China comes out on top with 2.2 million military.

So – as far as pure numbers – North Korea has an impressive military force.

Air Power – North Korea’s Air Force contains around 1600 planes of various types. Total numbers of actual planes and currently available aircraft of difficult to determine.

Fighters: North Korea has several variants of fighters from older, out of date MiG-17′s to modern MiG-29′s.  The maximum range of  the MiG-29 is 1304 miles without refueling.

North Korean MiG-29 Fighter

Bombers: North Korea’s bomber inventory consists mainly of II-28 bomberswhich are very old. These bombers have a maximum range of 1740 miles. The United States is more than 5000 miles from North Korea. With a maximum speed of 550 mph it would take more than 9 hours for North Korean bombers to reach the coast of the United States.

II-28 Bomber

Other: North Korea operates a number of other aircraft including helicopters and ground attack models. From my research it does not appear that North Korea possesses any tanker aircraft which to provide refueling in the air.

The United States air power is far superior to North Korea in every aspect imaginable.

On the Sea – North Korea has military sea presence of some700+ vessels including up to 100 submarines as well as destroyers, torpedo boats, fire-support boats, and guided missile boats. The vast majority of their vessels are very short-range and limited to coast patrol.

The majority of ships in the fleet have a very limited range. This range is so limited that they do not have the capability of navigating from one coast of North Korea to the other.

Romeo-class Submarine

North Korea operates at least 20 Romeo class submarines with a range of9000 miles. These submarines are generally considered obsolete and were built back in the 50′s to early 60′s.

Does North Korea have he capability to carry out a Red Dawn-style attack?

The short answer? No – it does not.

North Korea’s military is far too antiquated to launch any kind of attack/invasion from some 5000 miles away. Their aircraft and submarine technology is far too slow to gain access to the West Coastwithout substantial warning being given to the United States. Without the ability to refuel in the air no fighters and no bombers would be able to make the trip from the East Coast of North Korea to the West Coast of the United States. Additionally – the shear numbers of troops needed to carry out a Red Dawn-style invasion could not be transported to the US as there just are not enough planes in the North Korean inventory which to do it.

What about a non-Red Dawn style attack? Does North Korea have the ability to put a dent in the United States armor?

My answer – maybe, but not likely. Let’s look at a few possible scenario’s:

  • Could North Korea somehow navigate a submarine – or twelve, into US water without being detected? It is possible. It is a huge ocean and all one needs to do is remember back a few years ago when it was widely reported that a missile – likely Chinese – was fired off the West Coast from a submarine. If the Korean II-28 submarines could be modified and retrofitted to launch a nuclear device into the atmosphere then an EMP attack could be a reality. EMP – yes. Invasion? No. How likely? Not very.

 

  • Could North Korea launch a missile from its own land and reach the United States? It is widely reported that North Korea does NOT have a missile capable of reaching the western United States – however they do possess 2 or more Taepodong-2 ballistic missiles. When launched into orbit these missiles can not just reach the western coast but Washington, DC as well.

There are two questions that only the North Korean’s can answer:

    1. Do they have the capability of an orbital launch and follow up navigation?
    2. Have they miniaturized a nuclear weapon to fit on the Taepodong-2 missile?

IF they have the orbital launch system and IF they have the missile-mounted nuclear warhead-then an attempt could be made. The result would likely be the missile being destroyed by US Armed Forces.

 

  • Could North Korea smuggle a nuclear device (or twelve) into the United States and carry off a Jericho-like terrorist attack? I doubt it. North Korea is estimated to have anywhere from 12 to 24+ nuclear weapons. The ability for them to transport these weapons to the United States and then somehow smuggle them in would be quite a feat. Potentially, an individual weapon may be more likely. I suspect that North Korea would not be able to accomplish this themselves. Their supplying the weapon(s) to a terrorist group or another country would likely be the answer.

 

Let’s hope not.

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Not likely or even possible.

Summary:

The United States is not omnipotent. Regardless – the ability for North Korea to do much more than threaten is certainly in dispute and exaggerated AND under-estimated by many. They are an evil empire that should not be taken lightly.

– Rourke

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9 thoughts on “Could “Red Dawn” really happen?

  1. Thanks for the info regarding the Koreans, but what about the Chinese?

    Do these Chinese military bases along the northern border of Mexico really exist, or what that just a rumor? I think it would be a real game-changer if they could house a half-million troops just south of us. I still don’t think they would win, but they might try it if they underestimate the fighting strength of the U.S, population, and I’m sure Obama, Hillary, and Mexico’s president would be happy to help with those arrangements.

  2. JD is right though, as he put it on Henry’s show today. Something strange is going on with North Korea. I have to believe they are being controlled (controlled opposition) in some way. Especially with the (what I think is impossible) ridiculous Red Dawn scenario that Hollywood was trying to portray in their movie there. Especially since they changed the story from China to North Korea because they didn’t want to insult China. Bullshit!

    China is using the U.S. to use North Korea for a scapegoat. That’s what I’m seeing and little Kim Jong Un is the young inexperienced ruler who has no idea what the hell to do with his country but follow the orders of the elite in order to save his own fat skin. Maybe that’s why they sent Rodman. Maybe the poor guy just wants to live his own life after being educated in Europe most of his life. Maybe he enjoys living in the matrix.

    I don’t know, all of this just doesn’t make sense to me, either, and I am sure that what is going on now in North Korea is not normal and is the start of something really bad.

  3. One note about the 1.4 million military we have is that about halve are over seas.Therefor we don’t have 1.4 in the US.IF anyone attacked us i don’t think it would be as in Red Dawn but would be more likely to happen as the russians did it in afghanistan.However that shot over the bow on the west coast was probley china and IF they were in cohoots with NK it’s anybodys guess what will happen.

  4. Why does everyone think that North Korea is the aggressor? It seems to me that they just want to be left alone and no one listens.

  5. If we get attacked it won’t be by one nation it will be by a coalition of nations, the norks themselves just like to posture a lot.

    The day we get attack on the mainland it will come as a multi-front push.

    Our military won’t be able to stop it but we the people will cause their war machine to grind to a halt.

    I don’t care how soft they think we are, the American people will use every weapon we can and fling as much lead their way coupled with plenty of guerrilla tactics to wear them down.

    1. I agree with you on that one, Chris. It won’t be just one nation. The elite know that only a bundle of nations or an attack from within can put a dent into stopping the power of the American people. We have Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, Mexicans and probably some Europeans waiting to barrel down on us. Let ’em try. It will be quite a fight.

      1. I don”t think these countries hate us per say…….what they hate is the US Govt. and its aggressive policy of F-ing everybody,..not so much the common man or woman
        In the various places I’ve traveled….I havent met too many people who really hate americans. They despise and dislike the arrogance from rich elitists…but I havent seen displays of pure hatred.

        When it comes to that,..we on the other hand promote more hate than any foreigner I have encountered.

        Now,..they do hate the US Government and its policies…..who could blame them?
        I dont see them invading the mainland…….I do see them Nuking our asses one day.
        But I maybe wrong…….

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