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Gun-Grabber Gripes about ATF Tracing a Feint for Registration and More

Ammoland – by David Codrea

U.S.A. – -(Ammoland.com)- “On television, when a perpetrator leaves a gun at the scene, a quick computer search can point law enforcement to the weapon’s owner,” an August 6 promotion piece for one in a series of “gun control” videos being “curated” by The Atlantic. “In reality—at least in the United States—no such database of firearms exists.” 

Thank goodness one doesn’t. That’s prohibited by law to prevent a government that increasingly comes up with “creative” edicts to confiscate arms without due process and, significantly, without Constitutional authority. But resurrected complaints about not being able to do that to all of us are once again making headlines in order to swindle a public that for the most part doesn’t know any better out of its birthright. Examples over recent years from the usual suspects include:

  • How the N.R.A. Keeps Federal Gun Regulators in Check
  • The ATF’s Nonsensical Non-Searchable Gun Databases
  • The Low-Tech Way Guns Get Traced: NPR
  • Let the ATF’s Firearms Tracing Center Do its Job – Bloomberg
  • How the NRA Hobbled the ATF – Mother Jones

You get the drift. The gun-grabbers want to make it easy to find out who has what to help them reach the bottom of Nancy Pelosi’s slippery slope.

Supplementing that, getting trace data released has been a goal of billionaire gun-grabber Michael Bloomberg’s Everytown, which filed suit in 2015.  As usual, their high-sounding goals mask the underhanded motive of abusing data to “name and shame” and close down gun dealers and manufacturers ATF has not found cause to shutter.

Left unsaid (in blaming their inability at circumventing the law on NRA and “the gun lobby”) is the inconvenient truth that even ATF and the Fraternal Order of Police support the Tiahrt Amendment, limiting the release of specific tracing data to law enforcement investigations and prosecutions. The Bureau has “fought for years in the federal courts to keep trace records confidential because they contain information (such as names of gun buyers) that could jeopardize ongoing investigations—not to mention law enforcement officers’ lives.”

Also left unsaid in all this “urgent need” for high-speed data are two other inconvenient truths:

The national time-to-crime average is 9.3 years. That and ATF puts an important disclaimer in all of its state reports:

“Not all firearms used in crime are traced and not all firearms traced are used in crime.”

That makes it fair to ask – and expect answers to – how many cases are solved based on traces. How many perpetrators have been convicted that would otherwise not have been had ATF not identified a name gleaned from a retailer’s 4473 copy? Intuitively, if you catch the perp, it would seem you’ve solved the case. Ditto, what percentage of guns found at the scene trace back to the “retail purchaser” who is either guilty or able to provide a useful lead to who is? Factoring in the costs of these operations, how much does that work out to per solved crime?

The other information I’d like to see is if, after all the effort and expense, there is any real-world validation of the agent’s claim in the video that “We’re actually doing something here that might save a life.”

“Might”? Has it happened before? How many times? How effective has tracing proven to be in producing that outcome?

It’s not a question of putting a price on human lives, but one of assessing if resources placed elsewhere, or if a reduction in infringements, might actually save more lives. Instead, without even considering those questions, the push is on once more to spend untold funding on a database system to identify all “law-abiding” gun owners and tell authorities exactly what it is they have.

The motive is obviously not to save lives, that’s just the line the citizen disarmament swindlers use in their long con to draw in the ignorant, the gullible and the stupid. The reason is to enable confiscation as the “red flag” net tightens, “universal background checks” subject more names and property to enforcement scrutiny and new gun bans take effect.


About David Codrea:

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating/defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament. He blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” is a regularly featured contributor to Firearms News, and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

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14 Responses to Gun-Grabber Gripes about ATF Tracing a Feint for Registration and More

  1. KOYOTE says:

    …”“In reality—at least in the United States—no such database of firearms exists.” ”
    LYING SON OF A BITCH.
    EVERY NEW PISTOL I HAVE EVER BOUGHT COMES WITH A BLANK CARTRIDGE,
    OBVIOUSLY WHERE THE GUN WAS FIRED, AND THE RIFLING OF THE BULLET WAS ENTERED INTO A “DATABASE”………….
    SO. IF YOUR WORRIED ABOUT NOT HAVING “GUN REGISTRATION”, YOU NEED TO CHECK YOUR FREAKING, “TRUSTOMETER”.
    WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK A “NICS” CHECK REALLY IS?………. DUMBASS?

  2. # 1 NWO Hatr says:

    “It’s not a question of putting a price on human lives, but one of assessing if resources placed elsewhere, or if a reduction in infringements, might actually save more lives.”

    Seriously?

    Since when has gun control ever been about saving lives, bozo???

    “The motive is obviously not to save lives,…”

    I just said that.

    “… that’s just the line the citizen disarmament swindlers use in their long con to draw in the ignorant, the gullible and the stupid.”

    The reason this country is in desperate need of a serious gene-pool cleansing.

    • DrShot says:

      “…a reduction in infringements, might actually save more lives.”

      That is absolutely correct. Yet the Gov cannot even ‘allow’ law abiding citizens to the unalienable right of the possession of guns.

      Reduce the infringements. Yes! I agree.

      “[W]hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man – who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually, by totally disusing and neglecting the militia.”
      -George Mason

      • galen says:

        Well, we’re not “citizens,” but American Nationals. And the government will do its dance of “allowing” this and “allowing” that. So nice that freedom exists beyond any government.

        Now DrShot, I have to say that is a jaw-dropping quote you posted by George Mason. Bears repeating:

        “When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man – who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually, by totally disusing and neglecting the militia.”
        — George Mason

        I had never read it before. I guess he was referring to Ben Franklin since Franklin was over there cozying up with the Brits, but those words are a whole other level of treason. One wonders how Mason could have known this about Franklin; one also wonders to what degree he approved or disapproved.

        The quote got me reading up a bit on Mason. I learned that he refused to sign The Constitution because (in his own words), “There is no declaration of rights.” He held firm and eventually became known as The Father of The Bill of Rights with some saying he forced Madison’s hand to get it written. But his history is fuzzy, with some making him a hero/prophet, and others painting him in a lesser light. Could be like most of those guys who were around during the time of fighting for Independence (predominately aristocracy), he did a lot of good and a lot not so good. Thanks so much for the quote. It’s a warning that can be sounded today with as much urgency as a couple of centuries ago.

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      • # 1 NWO Hatr says:

        Missed this comment yesterday, or I would have replied then.

        “Yet the Gov cannot even ‘allow’ law abiding citizens to the unalienable right of the possession of guns.”

        There is SO much that is intrinsically wrong with that statement.

        Firstly, an unalienable right is not something that can be allowed or disallowed – it simply IS.

        Secondly, there can be no ‘law-abiding’ when no LEGITIMATE law exists.

        And thirdly, ‘citizens’ are so-called ‘government’ SLAVES, which we are NOT (as galen pointed out).

        As for this…

        “Reduce the infringements.”

        Mere reduction is NOT AN OPTION.

        TOTAL ELIMINATION OF ALL INFRINGEMENTS IS THE ONLY VIABLE SOLUTION.

  3. Norm says:

    Every last one of them is engaged in Treason, bottom line, including the sweet sounding ATF admin girls calling for trace info to gun shops….yes, you too sweeties, you are engaged in treason as well and I wonder why you don’t know that? Then again, so are the fkn FFL dealers, doing business with the devil.

    You can’t Trace or regulate my pencil or pen and you don’t get to do the same with my guns….Just cause someone writes a death threat, bank robbery note or some other nefarious written instrument, doesn’t mean you get to regulate, document, trace or even have a conversation about my pencil or pen, why do you think you can? and where did you get that authority?

    There is a price of freedom and that is eternal resistance to this type of in our face criminality and violations of our rights, our real rights, not government approved rights….

    GFY, your nazi, stasi mthrfkrs…….

  4. galen says:

    Ever feel like you’re walking through jello? Like there’s some place to go but it’s taking too long to get there? I feel it. The thick, suppressing wait, the delay. I want them off my back. I want my life back. I want beauty and freedom and a chance to make mistakes and discover things that move life forward. I want to know a different life, without devils, without snowflakes that aren’t made of real snow. Can I have alphas without betas? Independence without infringement? Peace without jews? Can I have a life that is my own? A world that isn’t out to get me? Flowers and weeds want the same thing. So do insects and other creatures. So do my neighbors and probably your neighbors. Head above water, always trying to keep head above water. Water rising. Breath, I need breath. Air, where all is clear, where everything everywhere is what it is and no one is smashing anyone else. Is what I need.

    .

  5. galen says:

    Off topic, but people are having some heavy discussions. I like it. Have a listen if you like:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMk_zyAdmFY

    .

    • Norm says:

      Just watched that, pretty good interaction on feminism etc… though it seems these speakers are still also brainwashed with “Conservatism and the Left / right paradigm” I bet if we challenged them on what we know and understand about that, they would bring a certain vitriol to us as well.

      That British feminist is part of the problem with Britain, I bet she fully supports all the Middle eastern men coming into her country though…Would love to have heard that discussion between them.. Good post Galen…..

  6. Enemy of the State says:

    “Outlaw”
    Enemy of the State

    Fck their policy and so called laws that infringe
    When the rubber meets the road , and anarchy rules the sound and force of my 44 still reins supreme
    Let’s see them remove it from my holster or my clutches … feel lucky ? Well do ya punk?

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