Pentagon: Religious Proselytizing is Not Permitted

Fox News – by Todd Starnes

Religious liberty groups have grave concerns after they learned the Pentagon is vetting its guide on religious tolerance with a group that compared Christian evangelism to “rape” and advocated that military personnel who proselytize should be court martialed.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is calling on the Air Force to enforce a regulation that they believe calls for the court martial of any service member caught proselytizing.  

President Mikey Weinstein and others from his organization met privately with Pentagon officials on April 23. He said U.S. troops who proselytize are guilty of sedition and treason and should be punished – by the hundreds if necessary – to stave off what he called a “tidal wave of fundamentalists.”

“Someone needs to be punished for this,” Weinstein told Fox News. “Until the Air Force or Army or Navy or Marine Corps punishes a member of the military for unconstitutional religious proselytizing and oppression, we will never have the ability to stop this horrible, horrendous, dehumanizing behavior.”boykin

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, told Fox News he was stunned that the Pentagon would be taking counsel and advice from the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.

“Why would military leadership be meeting with one of the most rabid atheists in America to discuss religious freedom in the military,” Perkins said. “That’s like consulting with China on how to improve human rights.”

The FRC has launched a petition drive urging Defense Sec. Chuck Hagel to protect the religious freedom of troops “and not to proceed with the purge of religion within the ranks called for by anti-Christian activists.”

Pentagon officials met with Weinstein and his group were to discuss a policy called “Air Force Culture, Air Force Standards,” published on Aug. 7, 2012.

Section 2.11 requires “government neutrality regarding religion.”

“Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for an individual’s free exercise of religion or other personal beliefs and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion,” the regulation states.

Military leaders were admonished not to use their position to “promote their personal religious beliefs to their subordinates or to extend preferential treatment for any religion.”

Weinstein said it’s time for the Air Force to enforce the regulation – with zeal.

“If a member of the military is proselytizing in a manner that violates the law, well then of course they can be prosecuted,” he said. “We would love to see hundreds of prosecutions to stop this outrage of fundamentalist religious persecution.”

He compared the act of proselytizing to rape.

“It is a version of being spiritually raped and you are being spiritually raped by fundamentalist Christian religious predators,” he told Fox News.

He said there is a time and a place for those in uniform to share their faith – but he took issues with fundamentalism that he says is causing widespread problems in the military.

“When those people are in uniform and they believe there is no time, place or manner in which they can be restricted from proselytizing, they are creating tyranny, oppression, degradation, humiliation and horrible, horrible pain upon members of the military,” he said.

Perkins said the military regulations have “Weinstein’s fingerprints all over it.”

“It threatens to treat service members caught witnessing as enemies of the state,” he said, referring to a Washington Post article highlighting Weinstein’s meeting with Pentagon officials. “Non-compliance, the Pentagon suggests, even from ordained chaplains could result in court-martialing on a case-by-case basis.”

The Pentagon confirmed to Fox News that Christian evangelism is against regulations.

“Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense, LCDR Nate Christensen said in a written statement. He declined to say if any chaplains or service members had been prosecuted for such an offense.

“Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis and it would be inappropriate to speculate on the outcome in specific cases,” he said.

Ron Crews, the executive director of the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty, warns that the Air Force policy would “significantly impact the religious liberties of Air Force personnel.”

“Saying that a service member cannot speak of his faith is like telling a service member he cannot talk about his spouse or children,” Crews said. “I do not think the Air Force wants to ban personnel from protected religious speech, and I certainly hope that it is willing to listen to the numerous individuals and groups who protect military religious liberty without demonizing service members.”

In an interview with the Washington Post, Weinstein called proselytizing a “national security threat.”

“And what the Pentagon needs to understand is that it is sedition and treason,” he told the newspaper. “It should be punished.”

Perkins said it was troubling the Obama Administration would place so much trust in someone like Weinstein.

“Unfortunately, it appears our military is on a forced march away from the very freedoms they are sworn to protect,” he said. “This language from Weinstein that Christians who share their faith or offer comfort to others from their faith in Jesus Christ is “sedition and treason” is a treasonous statement in and of itself.”

But Weinstein said they count thousands of Protestants among their ranks – and said they are simply going after fundamentalists.

“As soon as we find a fundamentalist Muslim, atheist, Jewish person or anybody else, we will be happy to fight them – but so far they have been few and far between,” he said.

Lt. Gen. (Ret.) Jerry Boykin, an executive vice president with the Family Research Council, told Fox News that he’s deeply concerned by what he call a pattern of attacks on Christianity within the military.

“Mickey Weinstein has a very visceral hated of Christianity and those who are Christians,” he said. “He’d like to see it eliminated from the military entirely.”

If the Air Force policy is implemented, Boykin said Christians who speak of their faith “could now be prosecuted as enemies of the state.”

“This has the potential to destroy military recruiting across the services as Americans realize that their faith will be suppressed by joining the military,” Boykin said.

In the meantime, Weinstein and his group said they will continue to push for the Pentagon to fully implement its ban on proselytizing.

“There is a time, place and manner in which proselytizing is not only allowed, but it’s something we support among our Christian clients,” Weinstein said. “However, you can’t scream fire in a crowded theater and you can’t scream Jesus in a crowded theater at certain times, places, and in certain manners.”

9 thoughts on “Pentagon: Religious Proselytizing is Not Permitted

  1. Hey All, I wonder if they have the LIONS YET as the collesiums are already built,these fkn j-ws just wont give it a rest and these “judas goats” leading the church’s of “christians” into the schofield zionist-christian fold of deceit is like watching a modern TWILIGHT ZONE horror flick but its actually taking place.

  2. I just cannot decide who I despise more …. the PSEUDO-Christian fundamentalists, or the WEINERSTEIN blocking them.
    Hope they kill each other off.
    “Judeo-Christian” is an OXYMORON. WAR-God vs PEACE-God. The Old Testament followers worship a WAR GOD and spend their lives hating, reliving every imagined slight, and dreaming of VENGENCE ….. “NEVER FORGIVE and NEVER FORGET” …. they still go on about Egypt and Babylon after MILLENIA. New Testament followers (are supposed to) worship a loving, forgiving God, and to CLOSE the Old Testament, as it has been FULLFILLED by the Crucifixion of Jesus. If you are following the OLD Testament you ARE NOT and CANNOT be a CHRISTian.
    It is a betrayal of Jesus to cling to the OLD covenant after Jesus Himself clearly stated:
    “This cup is the new covenant established by My blood; it is shed for you.” LUKE 22:20
    Any Christian allying with Israel/Zionism is actually Judas kissing the cheek of Christ just as treasonously as Judas Iscariot in the Garden, selling your Christian Brothers to the Temple Priests.

  3. You are correct, Alberet.. The world should put an end to
    destroyers of civilizations like this nut Weinstein…
    Why do we tolerate this crap… Imagine the chutzpah…
    This kike has to be put in his place….

  4. “Pentagon: Religious Proselytizing is Not Permitted.”

    Predicted long ago.

    “If a member of the military is proselytizing in a manner that violates the law, well then of course they can be prosecuted,” he said. “We would love to see hundreds of prosecutions to stop this outrage of fundamentalist religious persecution.”

    The “we” this Zionist POS so-called ‘jew’ is refering to would be his ‘chosen’ tribe of cockroaches, naturally.

    “He compared the act of proselytizing to rape.”

    A subject he and his tribe are WELL acquainted with – and practice religiously (yes, intended).

    Hanging is FAR too good for this piece of trash. I’d much rather see him bullwhipped to death – like the Sheriff in “High Plains Drifter”.

    And I’m in a GOOD mood tonight.

  5. “Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense, LCDR Nate Christensen said in a written statement. He declined to say if any chaplains or service members had been prosecuted for such an offense.

    The Department of Defense is chartered, and not part of our government, and has no authority over the military. See below
    [Federal Register Volume 75, Number 21 (Tuesday, February 2, 2010)]
    [Pages I-VII]
    From the Federal Register Online via the Government Printing Office []

    Defense Department
    See Navy Department
    *Charter Modification:
    Federal Advisory Committee; Advisory Panel on Department of Defense
    Capabilities for Support of Civil Authorities After Certain
    Incidents, 5287
    Charter Renewal:
    Federal Advisory Committee; Western Hemisphere Institute for
    Security Cooperation Board of Visitors, 5287-5288
    The real entity is the Commodity Credit Corporation, for a full expose see G. Edward Griffin’s The Creature from Jekyll Island
    National Military Establishment changed to * Department of Defense by act Aug. 10, 1949.

    The Department of War was designated the Department of the Army and the title of the Secretary of War was changed to Secretary of the Army by section 205(a) of act July 26, 1947, ch. 343, title II, 61 Stat. 501. Section 205(a) of act July 26, 1947, was repealed by section 53 of act Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 641. Section 1 of act Aug. 10, 1956, enacted “Title 10, Armed Forces” which in sections 3011 to 3013 continued the military Department of the Army under the administrative supervision of a Secretary of the Army.

    Congress controls the Military, not some chartered corporation, and orders the Military through the President.
    “Commander in Chief, is merely a hat the President wears after Congress declares war.” United States Supreme Court.
    343 U.S. 579 (1952)

    No. 744.
    Supreme Court of United States.
    Argued May 12-13, 1952.
    Decided June 2, 1952.

    ….[ W]hile Congress cannot deprive the President of the command of the army and navy, only Congress can provide him an army or navy to command. It is also empowered to make rules for the “Government and Regulation of land and naval Forces,” by which it may to some unknown extent impinge upon even *command functions.

    We have two governments
    Downes v. Bidwell (1901) 21 S.Ct. 770, 182 U.S. 244, 45 L.Ed. 1088.

    Justice Harlan, a justice on the Supreme Court of the United States, dissenting opinion in Downes v. Bidwell (1901),
    The idea prevails with some — indeed, it found expression in arguments at the bar — that we have in this country substantially or practically two national governments, one to be maintained under the constitution, with all its restrictions; the other to be maintained by Congress outside and independently of that instrument, by exercising such powers as other nations of the earth are accustomed to exercise. It is one thing to give such a latitudinarian construction to the Constitution as will bring the exercise of power by Congress, upon a particular occasion or upon a particular subject, within its provisions. It is quite a different thing to say that Congress may, if it so elects, proceed outside the Constitution. The glory of our American system of government is that it was created by a written constitution which protects the people against the exercise of arbitrary, unlimited power, and the limits of which instrument may not be passed by the government it created, or by any *branch of it, or even by the people who ordained it, except by amendment or change of its provisions.

  6. The bottom line is this: There is no ‘god’. It’s time to lay down the fairy tales and myths. There is no proof that a ‘god’ exists. I can hear y’all already. But, but, but the ‘bible’ says there’s a ‘god’. The ‘bible’ is the CLAIM that there is a ‘god’, not PROOF. Personal experiences don’t prove there is a ‘god’, either. The ‘bible’ was written by people who didn’t even know where rain came from, and you think they have the mysteries of the universe figured out?!? Pure ignorance… If someone two thousand years from now finds a Lord Of The Rings book and reads it, are they going to think Gandalf was real just because that book says he is? Is anybody in America capable of thinking critically? Sadly, I think not…

    1. REALLY?

      On From the Trenches, posters who wish to have ANY credibility with us are expected to be able to show proof of any claims they post here.

      KINDLY present us with irrefutable proof of your claim, or be dismissed as just another moron blowing hot air.

  7. Chris What kind of a blind FOOL would deny all the magical mystical creations on this rock,only a self serving j-w nothing thats who so take your talmund inspired B S and spread it among your own group of sATANIC MORONS (Who probably did crawl up out of some filthy oozing cesspool of lies and perversion) as there be CHRISTIANS here who arnt buying your LIES and humanist con any longer.You sound like that “eddie” spawn that got deleted yesterday.If I was one of your whiney assed tribemembers I would stomp my feet,whine some and hollar COMMON SENSE RAPE by one of satans minions.

    1. Steve, Steve , Steve, we are equal opportunity posters here. Anyone is allowed to state an opinion, but if they state something as a FACT, they must be allowed the courtesy of substantiating that FACT.

      Personally, I’m extremely curious to see his proof that there is no God. 🙂

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