For anyone monitoring America’s far-right, it was only a matter of time before Devin Patrick Kelley, the man identified as the Sutherland Springs, Texas, shooter, became “antifa.”
Antifa, a leftist protest movement with no organizational hierarchy whatsoever, wasblamed for the mass shooting in Las Vegas by Alex Jones’ conspiracy website Info Wars. They were responsible for allegedly plotting a civil war involving supersoldiers Saturday—one that utterly failed to manifest. And on Sunday, after a man murdered at least 26 people in a Texas church, the right’s conspiracy peddlers waited only a matter of hours to try to blame the violence on leftists.
Police did not immediately announce Kelley’s motive in the mass shooting. But Mike Cernovich, a self-described “American nationalist,” posted about the motive shortly after news of it broke. “Mass shooting at The First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, which has a largely white denomination,” Cernovich wrote. “Antifa terrorist attack?”
seems legit pic.twitter.com/gvSRaF2dGZ
— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) November 5, 2017
Cernovich pushed the same idea further Sunday evening, citing only “photos.” “Photos of Texas shooter is consistent with profile of Antifa member,” Cernovich posted. “This is looking more and more like Antifa terror.”
Alex Jones, who devoted his entire Saturday to doing live coverage on his web-show Info Wars on a second American civil war that absolutely never happened, also pushed the idea that the shooter could somehow be an antifa activist. “Was this part of the Antifa revolution against Christians and conservatives or a Isis op? [sic],” Jones tweeted Sunday afternoon to promote his show. “Live from the church.”
When you bet against the odds but still need to con people until the next scam. pic.twitter.com/RhCUxTZ57t
— nebraska antifascists (@antifa_ne) November 5, 2017
Jack Posobiec, a pro-Trump figure with a large following on social media, who has a reputation for creating and pushing fake news stories about leftists, posted a screen shot of something that looked like a direct message conversation on Twitter. The conversation appeared to be between a man named Dave Pollack and It’s Going Down (IGD), a self-described “digital community center for anarchist, anti-fascist, autonomous anti-capitalist and anti-colonial movements” frequently associated with “antifa” protests.
Fabricated whole cloth, possibly in order to incite violence. https://t.co/U5Oxg5NAPs
— Jack Smith IV (@JackSmithIV) November 5, 2017
The Dave Pollack figure says in the screenshot: “Go after the heart of the far-right: conservative churches.” A spokesperson for Its Going Down, who asked not to be named, told Newsweek through a direct message that the screenshot was entirely fabricated, but noted that many people on social media have seized onto the picture and shared it anyway. On ZeroHedge, a libertarian blog, one of the commenters on a post about the mass shooting summed it up this way: “ He’s Antifa, but you’ll never see that confirmed because the FBI is a bunch of leftist commie sympathizing traitors,” a user named Gaius Frakkin’ wrote.
“Today we learned that Jack Posobiec was sharing a manufactured and fictitious conversation that was created to look like our account speaking with several others,” the spokesperson for IGD wrote to Newsweek. “The conversation implied that anarchists and antifa organizers are somehow supportive of church shootings. Nothing could be further from the truth, and our hearts go out to people across the U.S. who have lost, and continue lose loved ones in these horrific mass shootings.”
The spokesperson accused Posobiec and others of using the “pain and misery of working-class people” for profit.
“Posobiec wants to attack social movements to further his own reactionary political ends while growing his fame and career along the way,” the spokesperson wrote. “For the sake of not only the truth but people’s lives, it’s imperative that people recognize these phonies for what they are and denounce them.”
Update:
Jack Posobiec contacted Newsweek after the publication of this article and claimed that the screenshot that he posted was not taken from a direct message but from a comment left by someone on IGD’s Facebook page. He added that he could not comment on the motivations of the shooter, and added that he posted the screenshot without any knowledge of the shooting in Texas having taken place. He called IGD’s depiction of him “completely false.” The spokesperson for IGD denied knowledge of the Facebook comment and added in a phone conversation that “half of our Facebook comments are put there by alt-right trolls.”
“Where it came from doesn’t matter,” the spokesperson said. “This is about insinuation and not fact.”
“Christian Fascism” is another Anita excuse to hurt people outside the communist doctrine. If the guberment’ actually put it out that these groups have declared war on the citizenry. We’d be in a civil war the minute after it. They won’t say it because it’s one of their very own inventions and they’ve lost control of it.
2 shooters, but only being told about 1?
Have any church folks come forward to verify this post?
Preliminary facts presented:
1) Guy was discharged under Bad Conduct” from the Navy for assaulting his wife and child.
2) Guy buys a gun and goes to the church his in-laws attend and shoots up the joint.
3) Guy is killed by vigilant armed man, and will no longer be saying anything to anyone.
My hypothesis:
Guy’s in-laws were the ones who pressured his wife to press charges against him, and he sought to revenge himself against them for ruining his life.
Need we listen to Mr. Jones or anyone else try to make this a political situation?
Spouses do not get a choice to file domestic violence charges. It’s the state that prosecutes. The law was changed decades ago. No more poor wife feeling sorry for the abuser and dropping charges. The code of criminal conduct specifies the peace officer doesn’t have a choice either. “Shall arrest”. The state brings the charges. Not the victim. It also doesn’t matter if it happened on post. The state law is the law on base. With military(federal law) backing it up.
In other words. It’s impossible to drop charges for domestic violence. Especially in Texas.
You are correct, Beehive. CORPORATE POLICY indicates the STATE becomes the aggrieved party in a domestic abuse situation. They are invoking their (perceived) right as paramount security interest over the victim’s Strawman TRUST. I never indicated that there was any dropping of charges, only that the wife was likely pressured to report to the enforcers something they had been previously unaware of. Perhaps I was negligent in presenting the scenario. Let me re-present my statement:
Guy’s in-laws pressured the wife to notify enforcers that an assault(s) had been perpetrated, leading to him being charged. My initial point here is the same:
The guy blamed his in-laws for ruining his life.
You are wrong. I assisted a woman in removing state charges against her husband. It was accomplished through a civil compromise in a justice court. And once it was stamped, the inferior state courts were forced to accept it.
Thank you, Henry. Good job. Private contract remedy IS superior to POLICY enforcement.
Antifa attack my ass, next it’s going to be an attack by Donald Duck. I think we know who is responsible for this, don’t we.
These shootings are in the 20 to 50 dead range now, only people capable of this is the enemy Bolshevik Jew, directing the orchestra. I don’t give a damn what the Jew loving Alex Jones says, the guy is looking for goddamn ratings.
I’m still waiting for this Jew money backed propagandist to debate Henry about American Nationalism, and Alexis’ 30 thousand calorie a day intake.
Newsweek may be correct about Jones type figures in their “far right” bashing, but they include all of us in that heading. Jewsweek was quick on the heels of the Nov. 4th antifa fizzle. They used the same “far righ”t bashing to call the right paranoid for predicting violence from Nov. 4th. Of course, if there was violence, there wouldn’t have been a peep from Jewsweek.
Well, Newsweek, if Antifa has no organizational hierarchy whatsoever, then who is funding it? I suppose the same guy who funds Newsweek–George Soros, as well as others I’m sure. There is NO ORGANIZATION without some form of ORGANIZATIONAL HIERARCHY! Not even small organizations, like families, rock and roll bands, churches, companies, charities…you name it, if there are two or more folks in a group, there is an organizational hierarchy.
But don’t expect a member of Propaganda, Inc. to tell anyone this truth! Why believe the truth when Newsweek, Salon and others claim said “conspiracy website InfoWars” Alex Jones was imagining things when he claims, holding a copy of the NYTimes with it’s Antifa full-page ad, that Antifa bought a full-page ad. (Paid for by Soros, no doubt…full page NYTimes ads only cost a hundred thou or so!). Not even Jones is rich enough or talented enough to fake that ad! I mean, even Alex Jones like a broken clock is right about twice a day…when Newsweek is right, though, let me know.
“… wasblamed for the mass shooting in Las Vegas by Alex Jones’ conspiracy website Info Wars.”
Damn typos!
“…wasblamed for the mass shooting in Las Vegas by Alex Jones’ conspiracy website DisInfo Whores.”
“They were responsible for allegedly plotting a civil war involving supersoldiers Saturday—one that utterly failed to manifest.”
And the result?
“And on Sunday, after a man murdered at least 26 people in a Texas church,…”
THAT got people’s attention, didn’t it.