Growing List of Sheriffs, Associations, and Police Chiefs Saying ‘NO’ to Obama Gun Control


The following sheriffs, state sheriff’s associations, and police chiefs have vowed to uphold and defend the Constitution against Obama’s unconstitutional gun control measures.  We applaud these public servants for their courage and conviction.  

The remarkable thing about what these brave men and women are doing is that nobody told them to do it.  Neither the CSPOA nor any other organization that we are aware of contacted sheriffs across the nation and asked them to make statements; this is something sheriffs did on their own, or because their constituents requested it of them.  Soon, people started submitting letters and links to us, and it was such a remarkable thing that we started to collect all the names and list them together.  Then the miracle happened: Other sheriffs across the nation have been inspired by the courage of those who stood first.  Now we see the power of standing, even if you fear you may stand alone.  

NOW, powered by the gaining momentum of this movement, the CSPOA has joined with other like-minded organizations in a largely volunteer effort to contact all the remaining sheriffs and ask them for a statement. You can read more about this effort here.

“I call on sheriffs all over this nation to add their voices to the growing numbers of faithful protectors of our freedom.”

– Richard Mack

Constitutional Duty of the Sheriff – Richard Mack


Updated 12/16/2013

Note: A statement from a state association does not necessarily mean that every sheriff in the state supports it. One such case is is Florida, listed below. This statement was voted on and approved by a majority of the sheriffs in the association, but not by EVERY sheriff in the state. While other lists may include all sheriffs within such a state, we have chosen to list associations and individual sheriffs separately.

California Sheriffs Association Link
Colorado Sheriffs Association Link
Florida Sheriffs Association Link
Georgia Sheriffs Association Link
Illinois Sheriffs Association Link
Indiana Sheriffs Association Link
Kentucky Sheriffs Association Link
Michigan Sheriffs Association Link
Minnesota Sheriffs Association Link
Missouri Sheriffs Association Link
Montana Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association Link
Nebraska Sheriffs Association Link
New Mexico Sheriffs Association Link
Oklahoma Sheriffs Association Link
South Carolina Sheriffs Association Link
Texas Sheriffs Association Link
Utah Sheriffs Association Link
Wyoming Sheriffs Association Link


Updated 12/16/2013

We are in the process of researching and posting links to online statements for all entities on these lists. You can help us by sending us links to statements by any of them.If you know a sheriff or association that should be listed: Please send us the sheriff’s full name, county, and state along with a link to an online statement by the sheriff if available. You may also email us supporting documents via the contact page.

Disclaimer: While we encourage all sheriffs and peace officers to join CSPOA, the list below includes members of the CSPOA and any others who have gone on record to uphold their oath by having made public statements, written open letters or contacted us personally and asked to be included. We have indicated which sheriffs are members of the CSPOA.We evaluate each sheriff on a case by case basis, but in general we are looking for sheriffs whose statements contain:

  • A reaffirmation that the sheriff will follow his or her oath and uphold the Constitution
  • An affirmation to support the constitutional second amendment rights of citizens in his or her jurisdiction

NOTE: Some persons or organizations on this list state that they are in favor of further gun restrictions in order to ‘keep guns out of the hands of criminals and/or the mentally ill.’ The CSPOA is NOT in favor of these programs becasue we realize they just can’t work without controls that would severely limit the freedoms of law abiding citizens. We also recognize that throughout history, gun registration is always followed by confiscation. And guess what: a required background check is the same thing as required registration. Let’s not be stupid. Once the info is on file, it’s going to be abused.

HOWEVER, we are listing individuals who are still trying to have it both ways because we believe they have taken the first positive step by stating that they will defend the constitutional rights of the citizenry. We hope they will soon realize that the two ideas cannot exist together.

Names added recently are marked with the number of days since added, in the ‘NEW’ column. For instance, 5D = Added 5 days ago.

AL Baldwin Huey ‘Hoss’ Mack Link
AL Barbour LeRoy Upshaw Personal request
AL Chilton Kevin Davis
AL Houston Andy Hughes Link
AL Lee Jay Jones
AL Madison Blake Dorning Link
AL Morgan Ana Franklin Link
AR Boone Mike Moore Link
AR Cross JR Smith
AR Nevada Danny Martin Link
AZ Cochise Mark J. Dannels Link
AZ Maricopa Joe Arpaio Link
AZ Mohave Tom Sheahan Link
AZ Navajo Kelly “KC” Clark Link
AZ Pinal Paul Babeu Link
AZ Yavapai Scott Mascher Link
AZ Yuma Leon Wilmot Statement Link
CA Amador Martin Ryan Link
CA Butte Jerry Smith Link
CA Del Norte Dean Wilson Link
CA El Dorado John D’Agostini Link
CA Fresno Margaret Mims Link
CA Humboldt Mike Downey Link
CA Kern Donny Youngblood Link
CA Lassen Dean Growdon Link
CA Mendocino Thomas Allman CSPOA MemberLink
CA Modoc Mike Poindexter Link
CA Nevada Keith Royal Link
CA Placer Edward Bonner Link
CA Plumas Greg Hagwood Link
CA Riverside Stanley Sniff Link
CA San Luis Obispo Ian S. Parkinson Link
CA Shasta Tom Bosenko
CA Sierra John Evans Link
CA Siskiyou Jon Lopey Link
CA Stanislaus Adam Christianson Link
CA Tehama David Hencraft Link
CA Trinity Bruce Haney Link
CA Tuolumne James W. Mele Link
CO Bent David R. Encinias Signed Petition
CO Cheyenne Ken Putnam Signed Petition
CO Clear Creek Don Krueger Signed Petition
CO Custer Fred Jobe Link
CO Douglas Dave Weaver Link
CO El Paso Terry Maketa Link
CO Elbert Shayne Heap Video Link
CO Fremont Jim Beicker Link Signed Petition
CO Garfield Lou Vallario Link
CO Gilpin Bruce Hartman Video Link
CO Hinsdale Ronald B. Bruce Link
CO Huerfano Bruce Newman Personal RecommendationLink
CO Jackson Scott Fischer Link
CO Jefferson Ted Mink video Link
CO Larimer Justin Smith Link
CO Las Animas James W Casias Link
CO Logan Brett L. Powell Link
CO Mesa Stan Hilkey Link
CO Moffat Tim Jantz Link
CO Montezuma Dennis Spruell Signed Petition
CO Montrose Rick Dunlap Link
CO Prowers James Faull Link
CO Pueblo Kirk M. Taylor Link
CO Rio Grande Brian Norton Link Signed Petition
CO Routt Garrett Wiggins Link Signed Petition
CO Sedgwick Randy Peck Link
CO Summit John Minor Link
CO Teller Michael A. Ensminger Link
CO Washington Larry Kuntz Link
CO Weld John Cooke News Artile Link
CO Yuma Chad Day Signed Petition
DE Sussex Jeff Christopher Link
FL Bay Frank McKeithen Link
FL Bradford Gordon Smith Signed Petition
FL Brevard Sheriff Wayne Ivey Link
FL Calhoun Glenn H. Kimbrel Statement Link
FL Charlotte Bill Prummell, Jr. Statement Link
FL Clay Rick Beseler
FL Collier Kevin Rambosk Statement Link
FL Dixie Dewey Hatcher Statement Signed Petition
FL Duval John Rutherford Link
FL Franklin Mike Mock Link
FL Hamilton Harrell Reid Link
FL Hernando Al Neinhuis Oath Link
FL Holmes Tim Brown Link Signed Petition
FL Lafayette Brian Lamb Link
FL Lee Mike Scott Statement LinkSigned Petition
FL Leon Larry Campbell Link
FL Liberty Nick Finch Link
FL Marion Chris Blair Link
FL Martin Bill Snyder
FL Nassau Bill Leeper Signed Petition
FL Okaloosa Larry Ashley Signed Petition
FL Polk Grady Judd Link
FL Seminole Donald F. Eslinger Link
FL Walton Michael Adkinson
GA Carroll Terry Langley Link
GA Cherokee Roger Garrison
GA Cobb Neil Warren
GA Columbia Clay Whittle Link
GA Fannin Dane Kirby
GA Fayette Barry Babb
3D GA Gilmer Stacy Nicholson Link
GA Gwinnett Butch Conway
GA Oconee Scott Berry Link
GA Paulding Gary Gulledge
GA Pike Jimmy Thomas
GA Putnam Howard R. Sills Link
GA Rockdale Eric J. Levett Link
GA Spalding Wendell Beam
GA Tift Gene Scarbrough Personal request
GA Towns Christopher M. Clinton Link
GA Twiggs R. Darren Mitchum
GA Upson Dan Kilgore
GA Walton Joe Chapman
IA Cedar Warren M. Wethington
ID Adams Ryan K. Zollman Signed Petition
ID Bannock Lorin W. Neilsen Link
ID Benewah Dave Resser CSPOA member
ID Bonner Daryl Wheeler
ID Canyon Kieran Donahue
ID Clark Bart May
ID Clearwater Chris Goetz
ID Fremont Len Humphries Signed Petition
ID Gem Chuck Rolland
ID Idaho Doug Giddings
ID Jerome Doug McFall
ID Lewis Brian Brokop
ID Madison Roy Klingler
ID Nez Perce Joe Rodriguez
ID Oneida J.P. Semrad Requested personally
ID Payette Chad Huff Emailed CSPOALink
ID Shoshone Mitch Alexander
ID Twin Falls Tom Carter CSPOA MemberLink
ID Washington Matt Thomas
IL Champaign Dan Walsh Link
IL Clark Jerry Parsley Link
IL Clinton Mike Kreke Link
IL Crawford Todd W. Liston Signed Petition
IL DuPage John Zaruba Link
IL Edgar Edward Motley
IL Ford Mark R. Doran Link
IL Iroquois Derek Hagen
IL Knox David Clague Link
IL Madison Robert J Hertz Link
IL McLean Mike Emery
IL St. Clair Richard Watson Link Signed Petition
IN Boone Ken Campbell
IN Elkhart Bradley D. Rogers Signed Petition
IN Franklin Ken Murphy
IN Hancock Michael Shepherd CSPOA member
IN Ripley Tom Grills
KS Chautauqua Perry Russell Personal Contact
KS Harvey Walton Townsend CSPOA member
KS Johnson Frank Denning Link
KS Linn Barry Walker CSPOA member
KS Sherman Burton Pianalto CSPOA member
KS Sumner Darren Chambers CSPOA member
KY Bath John Snedegar
KY Boone Michael A. Helmig
KY Bullitt Dave Greenwell Link
KY Grant Chuck Dills Link
KY Jackson Denny Peyman Link
KY Kenton Chuck Korzenborn
KY Powell Scott F. Harrison
LA Iberia Louis M. Ackal Link
MD Carroll Ken Tregoning
MD Frederick Charles A. Jenkins
MD Garrett Robert E. Corley Link
MD Kent John Price Link
MD St. Mary’s Timothy Cameron Video of hearingsLink
MD Wicomico Mike Lewis Link
MI Baraga Bob Teddy Signed Petition
MI Barry Dar Leaf Signed Petition
MI Benzie Ted Schendel Link Signed Petition
MI Chippewa Robert Savoie Link
MI Clare John Wilson Signed Petition
MI Kent Larry Stelma
MI Leelanau Michael Borkovich Link
MI Mason Kim C. Cole Signed Petition
MI Menominee Kenny Marks CSPOA memberLink
MI Oakland Michael J Bouchard Signed Petition
MI St. Joseph Bradley Balk
MI Tuscola Leland Teschendorf
MN Anoka James Stuart Page 12 of newsletter
MN Chisago Rick Duncan Statement Link
MN Itasca Victor Williams Link
MN Meeker Jeffery Norlin Link Signed Petition
MN Otter Tail Brian Schlueter
MN Pine Robin Cole Link
MN Ramsey Matt Bostrom
MN Stearns John Sanner
MN Todd Peter Mikkelson Statement Link
MN Yellow Medicine Bill Flaten
MO Atchison Dennis D. Martin Signed Petition
MO Barry Mick Epperly
MO Barton Larry Mitchell Shaw Link
MO Bollinger Darin Shell Link
MO Boone Dwayne Carey Link
MO Butler Mark Dobbs
MO Cape Girardeau John Jordan Link
MO Christian Joey Kyle
MO Cooper Jerry Wolfe CSPOA MemberLink
MO Gasconade Randy Esphorst
MO Henry J. Kent Oberkorm Link
MO Jasper Randee Kaiser
MO Johnson Charles Heiss
MO Lawrence Brad A. DeLay Link
MO Lincoln John Cottle Link
MO Livingston Steve Cox
MO Marion Jimmy Shinn
MO Mercer Stephen Stockman
MO Oregon George R. Underwood
MO Osage Michael Dixon
MO Ralls Gerry Dinwiddie
MO Saline Wally George Link
MO Shannon Steven R. Blunkall
MO Texas James Sigman Link
MO Warren Kevin T. Harrison
MS DeSoto Bill Rasco
MS Forrest Billy McGee
MS Monroe Cecil Cantrell
MS Pearl River David Allison Personal Contact
MT Cascade Bob Edwards
MT Lake Jay Doyle
MT Lewis and Clark Leo Dutton
MT Musselshell Woodrow Weitzeil
MT Powell Scott F. Howard
MT Ravalli Chris Hoffman
MT Sanders Tom Rummel
MT Wibaux Darby Harrington
MT Yellowstone Mike Linder
NC Brunswick John Ingram Link
NC Catawba Coy Reid
NC Cleveland Alan Norman
NC Craven Jerry G. Monette Signed Petition
NC Franklin Jerry Jones
NC Harnett Larry Rollins
NC Henderson Charlie McDonald
NC Johnston Steve Bizzell Link
NC Jones Danny Heath Personal ContactSigned Petition
NC Lee Tracy Carter
NC Rockingham Sam Page
NC Sampson Jimmy Thornton
NC Stokes Mike Marshall
NC Union Eddie Cathey
NC Wake Donnie Harrison
NC Wayne Carey Winders
NE Dakota Chris Kleinberg
NH Grafton Douglas R Dutile
NM Bernalillo Dan Houston
NM Catron Shawn Menges
NM Chaves Patrick R Jennings
NM Cibola Johnny Valdez
NM Colfax Jim Maldonado
NM De Baca Dennis A. Cleaver
NM Dona Ana Todd Garrison
NM Eddy Scott London
NM Grant Raul Holguin
NM Guadalupe Michael R Lucero
NM Harding Herman Martinez
NM Hidalgo Saturnino Madero
NM Lea Mark Hargrove
NM Lincoln Robert Sheppard
NM Los Alamos Marco Lucero
NM Luna Raymond Cobos
NM Otero Benny House
NM Quay Joe Schallert
NM Rio Arriba Joe Mascarenas
NM Roosevelt Darren Hooker
NM San Juan Ken Christesen
NM San Miguel Benjie Vigil
NM Santa Fe Robert Garcia
NM Sierra Joe Baca
NM Socorro Phillip Montoya
NM Taos Miguel Romero Jr
NM Torrance Heath White
NM Union William Spriggs
NM Valencia Louis Burkhard
NV Churchill Benjamin D. Trotter CSPOA memberSigned Petition
NV humboldt Ed Kilgpore
NV Lander Ron Unger Signed Petition
NV Nye Tony DeMeo
NY Allegany Rick L. Whitney Signed Petition
NY Erie Timothy B. Howard
NY Greene Greg Sealy Link
NY Lewis Michael P. Carpinelli Signed Petition
NY Livingston John M. York NY Sheriffs Statement Signed Petition
NY Otsego Richard Devlin Jr.
NY Putnam Donald Smith
NY Saratoga James D. Bowen Link
NY Schoharie Tony Desmond
NY Steuben David Cole
NY Suffolk Vincent DeMarco
NY Ulster Paul J. Van Blarcum Signed Petition
NY Washington Jeffrey Murphy Signed Petition
OH Allen Sam Crish
OH Auglaize Al Solomon
OH Fairfield Dave Phalen Link
OH Hancock Michael E. Heldman
OH Mercer Jeff Grey
OH Montgomery Phil Plummer Contacted via email
OH Preble Michael Simpson
OH Richland J. Steve Sheldon
OK Cleveland Joe Lester Link
OK Jackson Roger LeVick
OK Major Steve Randolph
OK McCurtain Johnny Tadlock
OK Wagoner Bob ‘Big Block’ Colbert Personal Contact
OR Baker Mitchell Southwick
OR Clatsop Tom Bergin Link
OR Columbia Jeff Dickerson Link
OR Coos Craig Zanni Link
OR Crook Jim Hensley
OR Curry John Bishop
OR Deschutes Larry Blanton
OR Douglas John Hanlin
OR Grant Glenn E. Palmer
OR Jackson Mike Winters
OR Josephine Gil Gilbertson
OR Klamath Frank Skrah
OR Lake Phillip McDonald Link
OR Linn Tim Mueller Link
OR Malheur Brian Wolfe
OR Marion Jason Myers Link
OR Polk Bob Wolfe
OR Union Boyd Rasmussen Link
OR Wallowa Steve Rogers
OR Washington Pat Garrett
OR Yamhill Jack Crabtree
PA Adams Jim Muller
PA Berks Eric J. Weaknecht
PA Bradford Clinton J. Walters
PA Butler Michael T. Slupe Link
PA Cambria Bob Kolar Link
PA Cameron Allen Neyman Signed Petition
PA Chester Carolyn ‘Bunny’ Welsh Statement LinkSigned Petition
PA Cumberland Ronny R. Anderson CSPOA member
PA Elk Jeffrey C. Krieg Signed Petition
PA Fayette Gary Brownfield Signed Petition
PA Juniata Tom Lyter Personal contactSigned Petition
PA Lancaster Mark Reese Link
PA Lebanon Michael DeLeo Signed Petition
PA McKean Bradley Mason Link Signed Petition
PA Montour Ray C. Gerringer.pdf Link
PA Northumberland Ed Quiggle, Jr. Link
PA Pike Philip Bueki Link
PA Venango Eric Foy CSPOA member
PA Westmoreland Jonathan Held Link
SC Abbeyville Ronnie Ashley
SC Berkeley Wayne DeWitt
SC Charleston Al Cannon Video Link
SC Cherokee Steve Mueller Signed Petition
SC Edgefield Adell Dobey
SC Kershaw Jim Matthews
SC Lexington James Metts
SC Pickens Rick Clark
SC Spartanburg Chuck Wright Link
SC York Bruce Bryant
TN Blount James L Berrong Statements Link
TN Bradley Jim Ruth
TN Dyer Jeff Box
TN Fentress Anthony (Tony) Choate Link
TN Hamblen Esco R Jarnagin CSPOA Blog post
TN Hamilton Jim Hammond
TN McNairy Guy Buck Link
TN White Oddie Shoupe
TX Anderson Greg Taylor Link
TX Angelina Greg Sanches Signed Petition
TX Aransas Bill Mills Link
TX Armstrong J.R. Walker Signed Petition
TX Austin Jack Brandes
TX Blanco Robert Morgan Signed Petition
TX Burnet W.T. Smith
TX Cherokee James Campbell Link
TX Coke Wayne McCutchen Signed Petition
TX Collin Terry Box Link
TX Cormal Bob Holder Signed Petition
TX Coryell Johnny Burks Signed Petition
TX Cottle Rickey Lawrence Link Signed Petition
TX Dallam Bruce Scott CSPOA member
TX Edwards Pamela L. Elliott Signed Petition
TX Ellis Johnny Brown
TX Fannin Dane Kirby
TX Fisher J.A. Robinson Signed Petition
TX Foard Mike Brown Signed Petition
TX Fort Bend Troy E. Nehls Link
TX Galveston Henry Trochesset
TX Grayson Keith Gary Letter Link
TX Grimes Donald Sowell Link Signed Petition
TX Guadalupe Arnold S. Zwicke Link
TX Hardin Ed Cain CSPOA member
TX Hartley Frank Scott CSPOA memberLink
TX Hill Michael Cox
TX Hockley R. C. Cheek Signed Petition
TX Hopkins Butch Adams Signed Petition
TX Hudspeth Arvin West
TX Hunt Randy Meeks Signed Petition
TX Hutchinson Don L Johnson
TX Jasper Mitchell Newman Signed Petition
TX Johnson Bob Alford
TX Kaufman David A Byrnes Link
TX Liberty Bobby Rader Link
TX Lipscomb James Robertson Link Signed Petition
TX Live Oak Larry R. Bursby Signed Petition
TX Loving Billy B. Hopper Signed Petition
TX Mason Buster Nixon
TX McCulloch Earl Howell
TX McLennan Parnell McNamara
TX Mills Clint Hammonds
TX Montgomery Tommy Gage Link
TX Moore J.E. ‘Bo’ DeArmond Signed Petition
TX Motley Chris Spence Signed Petition
TX Nacogdoches Jason Bridges Signed Petition
TX Newton Edward L. Shannon Link
TX Oldham David Medlin
TX Pecos Cliff Harris Signed Petition
TX Potter Brian Thomas Signed Petition
TX Randall Joel W. Richardson
TX Schleicher David R. Doran Signed Petition
TX Shackelford Edward A. Miller Signed Petition
TX Smith Larry Smith
TX Swisher Cody Grubb Signed Petition
TX Taylor Ricky Bishop Link
TX Titus Tim Ingram Signed Petition
TX Waller R. Glenn Smith
TX Wichita David Duke Signed Petition
TX Wood Jim Brown Link
UT Beaver Cameron M. Noel Link
UT Box Elder Joseph Yeates Link
UT Cache G. Lynn Nelson Link
UT Carbon James Cordova Link
UT Daggett Jerry Jorgensen Link
UT Davis Todd Richardson Link
UT Duchesne Travis Mitchell Statement Link
UT Emery Greg Funk Link
UT Garfield James D. Perkins Link
UT Grand Steven White Link
UT Iron Mark Gower Link
UT Juab Alden Orme Link
UT Kane Lamont Smith Link Signed Petition
UT Millard Robert Dekker Link Signed Petition
UT Morgan Blaine Breshears Link
UT Piute Marty Gleave Link
UT Rich Dale Stacey Link
UT San Juan Rick Eldredge Link Signed Petition
UT Sanpete Brian Nielson Link
UT Sevier Nathan Curtis Link
UT Summit David Edmunds Link
UT Tooele Frank Park Link
UT Uintah Jeff Merrell Link Signed Petition
UT Utah James Tracy Link Signed Petition
UT Wasatch Todd Bonner Link
UT Washington Cory Pulsipher Link
UT Wayne Kurt Taylor Link
UT Weber Terry L. Thompson Link Signed Petition
VA King George Steve Dempsey Link
VA Lynchburg Ronald Gillispie Personal Contact
VA Williamsburg – James City Robert J. Deeds Link
WA Asotin Ken Bancroft
WA Chelan Brian Burnett Link Signed Petition
WA Cowlitz Mark Nelson Link
WA Douglas Harvey Gjesdal Link
WA Grant Tom Jones Link
WA Klickitat Rick McComas Link
WA Lincoln Wade W. Magers Link
WA Pacific Scott Johnson Link
WA Pend Oreille Alan Botzheim Link
WA Skamania Dave Brown
WA Whitman Brett Myers
WA Yakima Ken Irwin Link
WI Florence Jeff Rickaby Personal RequestLink
WI Milwaukee David Clarke Link
WI Washington Dale K. Schmidt Link
WV Boone William “Randall” White Link
WV Hardy Bryan Ward Link
WV Logan Sonya M. Dingess Porter Link
WV Raleigh Steve Tanner Link
WV Roane Mike Harper Link
WV Wood Ken Merritt Link


Updated 12/16/2013

Missouri Old Monroe Police Chief Larry Kirk Personal Contact
North Carolina Ellis Airport Police, Richlands Chief of Police Hans Miller Personal Contact
Ohio Salineville Acting Chief of Police Stephen Paul Thomas Personal contact
Pennsylvania State Constable Andrew Rumbold Link
Pennsylvania Northumberland Constable Ed Quiggle, Jr. Link
West Virginia Meadow Bridge Police Chief Chief Sebby Lee Volpe Personal contact



We used to have a list down here of lame sheriffs who are declining to defend the rights of their people, seemingly not realizing what is at stake or trusting the feds to be the only source of truth. Richard Mack has started calling this our Red Coat List. This list has now grown to include not just sheriffs and associations with cowardly stances, but also those who are openly attacking the good men and women who are standing firm. We’re moving this list to another page: The Red Coat List

One thought on “Growing List of Sheriffs, Associations, and Police Chiefs Saying ‘NO’ to Obama Gun Control

  1. when they find out that they wont get their government funding, or that they wont get their MRAPS and military toys to subvert our rights, or their bonus because the Fed’s will keep it, they will cave like good little servants to the crown..just hold their pensions over their heads or the free pass to the doughnut store, they wont have the stomach for it.

    Is it possible that some of the thin blue line has learned that the Fed gov has already sold them out? is it possible that a few of the lower I.Q. crowd realized that the ammo shortage also included them? is it possible that they realize that their paychecks will also stop coming when this whole house of cards called the US of A comes crashing down?

    hey they have no duty to protect.. and neither do we, see how that works both ways? the folly of unintended consequences sucks don’t it?

    Maybe..maybe not..time will tell.

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