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The Ambush and Murder of Robert “LaVoy” Finicum

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BURNS, OREGON – on January 26, 2015 the FBI (with the help of other law enforcement) ambushed and murdered Robert “LaVoy” Finicum.  Based upon two personal eye-witness accounts, it is clear that the stories being widely circulated are false (due to laziness, misguided motives, or wickedness) and the truth should interest the friends of liberty, and those who want to know the actual fate of LaVoy and how our government agents acted yesterday.  

I had just been to visit LaVoy, Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Shawna Cox, and Ryan Payne the day before, and had only left the refuge yesterday morning in the very early hours.  In fact, I left just after our last Free Capitalist interview.  Shawna Cox was the last person I hugged.

I’ve already gone on record regarding my thoughts on the protest, on Ammon, and last night I did a Periscope broadcast related to the tragic death of LaVoy, along with the arrest of Ammon and Ryan Bundy, Shawna Cox, and others.  But, as the news has filtered out today, in both the mainstream and the alternative media I have been alarmed at the false accounts, hearsay accounts, and speculation regarding the events of that night.

Since I was not a witness to the arrest and shooting yesterday, I too have spent time scouring the Internet for the latest word and updates.  But, by this morning a disturbing and intolerable pattern had started to emerge and I cannot sit silently.   Here’s why – during my visit to meet and interview these men, I not only made contact and got to know them, I was also able to observe the workings and activities at the Refuge.   While I was there I observed, what now appears to be a portion of the sabotage that lead directly to the ambush, arrest, shooting and ultimately  the murder of LaVoy.

I didn’t realize then, what I was observing at the time.  In hindsight, it is now clear there were those on the inside working to help set last night’s police action.  This was not only a betrayal of trust for the Bundy’s, LaVoy and others, but something more sinister.  And, this is amplified by the false stories that are now circulating – and despicably so through outlets like OregonLive.com.  Make no mistake, based upon the only credible first hand witnesses – LaVoy Finicum was strategically ambushed and murdered – and the factual accounts must be defended and the false narratives resisted by those who love and cherish liberty.

There are three eye witness statements related to the events so far.  Of these, only two are credible.

First, the wife of Ammon Bundy, Lisa.  She reported that she received a phone call from Ammon, after his arrest and while he was in the back of the police car.  Ammon told her that LaVoy had been murdered, in cold blood with his “hands up” and that he had also been shot multiple times, even after he was on the ground.

Second, the driver of the first vehicle, Mark McConnell, was reportedly released after several hours of questioning, and he responded to the social media frenzy about LaVoy’s murder by debunking the concern, posting two videos arguing that LaVoy had acted aggressively and that LaVoy had charged at the FBI agents, provoking their shots.

Third, an 18-year old female passenger, Victoria Sharp, who was in the second vehicle that was driven by LaVoy, gave a detailed account of her experience and eye witness of LaVoy’s murder.

For the reasons explained below, only Lisa and Victoria’s accounts are credible.  Worse, Mark’s account and the activities and messages a few other “Patriot” group leaders are spreading are more than un-credible, they are suspect.

Lisa Bundy’s Account:  Lisa’s account was the first direct report of events that didn’t come from law enforcement or government sources.  And, both Lisa and Ammon have a sterling track record of focusing on calmly, rationally, and accurately disseminating the facts and circumstances surrounding these events.  Lisa’s account comes directly from Ammon – and given that Ammon is still in federal custody and there are no reports of anyone else having been able to talk with him, her account is highly valuable.  Certainly, once having verified that this report actually came from Lisa and her conversation with Ammon immediately after the tragic events – there is nothing suspect.  If Ammon Bundy says that LaVoy was murdered in cold blood – under these circumstances, and based upon my own assessment of Ammon’s character and the motives and interests at issue – then I give a very high degree of credibility to this account.   For the record, Lisa’s first hand statements are “I talked to Ammon after he was arrested…they shot [LaVoy] in cold blooded murder” and “He called me right after, gave me the details and told me to tell everyone before the news got out the lies. Then got off the phone!!!”

Mark McConnell’s Account:  Mark was the driver of the vehicle  (a Jeep) that was carrying Ammon.  Mark posted two videos that are being circulated among Oath Keeper members and other patriot group members (i.e. Melvin Less).  In Mark’s report he is visually upset about the “rumors” and “asinine comments” regarding how LaVoy was innocent and murdered.  But critically, he admits that he was too far away to witness the actual shooting. Yet, virtually every major media source is reporting his account as credible.  In his videos, he estimates that the shooting took place approximately 1 mile from where he was being detained and that he only saw the second vehicle drive off “from about 200 yards” towards the road block about “a mile” away.  But, the substance of his report is that he claims LaVoy subsequently exited his vehicle and “charged at the law enforcement” which provoked the shooting and his death.  But, what is the basis for this?  Mark says repeatedly, “I did not see the shooting” and that “I didn’t see it” and “I’m not going to speculate on it.”  Yet, he claims that LaVoy was “foolish” and had been in a “heated discussion” with fellow passenger Ryan Payne.   He contradicts himself repeatedly, because for some reason, he really wants people to “calm down.”  Apparently, this desire is even at the expense of the truth, and it may be worse.  Ryan Payne had exited vehicle number two (as described below) and was arrested and did was not present at the shooting.  Thus, there are only two living, non-government witnesses to all of the events – Shawna Cox and Victoria Sharp.  In sum, even Mark admits that his account is based upon second hand reports from Shawna Cox and Ryan Payne (both presumably still in custody) and based upon remarks that Mark said changed multiple times and that he was simply putting together “pieces here” and “pieces there.”

Victoria Sharp’s Account:  Victoria was a passenger in the back of the second vehicle driven by LaVoy.  She witnessed events from the initial stop of vehicle 1 all the way through to the shooting.  She has given a lengthy interview describing events – consistently and calmly.  In her report Victoria states that when LaVoy was first pulled over, he and Ryan Payne (who was the front seat passenger) repeatedly requested to talk to the county Sheriff rather than the FBI.   Her report is that this angered the FBI agents.  In response to FBI demands LaVoy put his hands – both hands – out the window to show he was not a threat.  She also reports that from the moment they were pulled over there were approximately 20 laser spots she could see on her and the other passengers, including from pre-positioned snipers in the trees, positioned on the side of the road up in the forest.   Significantly, she also reports that the first shots were fired by the FBI when Ryan Payne looked out the passenger side window and was shot at, but was not hit.  She reports that no one in the vehicle ever returned fire or pulled any guns or weapons.  According to Victoria, after the FBI refused LaVoy and Ryan’s request to remove the two woman from the vehicle (who had come along to sing at the anticipated meeting), LaVoy explained that he was going to drive down to talk to the Sheriff and started to drive away.  At or about this point, according to her account, Ryan Payne exited the vehicle and was arrested.  The two women in the back seat (Shawna Cox and Victoria) along with Ryan Bundy (also in the back seat) tried to take cover laying on the floor boards because as LaVoy drove away the FBI showered the vehicle with bullets – “at least 120.”   Victoria recounts that she and Shawna were screaming and pleading that the FBI stop shooting.   Victoria then explains that LaVoy drove the truck into some kind of snow embankment and it was stuck, so he got out of the truck with his hands up.  She says he was “just walking with his hands in the air.”  According to her account, she then personally witnessed that the FBI, and multiple shooters shot him multiple times, including after he hit the ground and that as he lay dead on the ground his hands were still up above his head.  She then says, after this, the government continued to riddle the vehicle with dozens, possibly hundreds of bullets, and that the only reason the two women and Ryan Bundy survived was that the shooters had a bad angle.   Ryan Bundy was hit by a bullet or shrapnel caused by this firestorm.

Thus, the most credible accounts, and the only complete first hand account, is that the government pre-planned this encounter, it was no “traffic stop” as the US Attorney is now reporting (“a traffic stop on protesters [that] turned deadly.”) It was deadly from before it started, because it was a pre-planned extraordinary show of force by the government, and shooting began without any shots being fired by LaVoy or the passengers in his vehicle.  The government agents continued to fire on a fleeing vehicle despite having set up a road block and despite no threat of force by LaVoy or the passengers, and after one of the passengers exited the vehicle and was arrested.  They shot LaVoy with his hands in the air, and continued to shoot him after he fell to the ground.  The government then continued to fire upon the vehicle with three passengers huddling down in the back seat on the floor.  This was, by all accounts, a military style ambush, and there is no indication that the government agents were in danger at any time, or that the excessive use of force was provoked or justified.

The credibility of Ammon and Victoria weighs heavily towards their accounts, while the sole contradictory account of Mr. McConnell is by his own admission, based upon him piecing together hearsay.  But, is that all that’s going on here?

As I reviewed these facts, there are a few striking elements and events.  First, the government clearly knew the travel plans of these parties – including the timing and the route.  Second, the government made no advance effort to avoid violence – this was a secretive operation.  The significance of this might be overlooked by modern presumptions and media spin, but fair observers have to remember that Ammon and LaVoy were repeatedly open to discuss matters with the government.  They routinely went to the FBI operations center and the Sheriff’s station to discuss their protest and their grievances.   And, earlier yesterday, approximately five hours before these events, the FBI had been invited by Ammon to come to the Refuge and have a face-to-face discussion.  In all of this, neither Ammon nor LaVoy were given any demands by the FBI and they were repeatedly given free pass at public gatherings and eating at local restaurants, etc.   The point here is that the government clearly used surprise, and massive show of force, against men who on all previous encounters had been civil, rational, and reliably calm and willing to talk.  In addition, no demand had been made to them, except the Sheriff’s initial demand that they leave the Refuge.  This is a critical point because – after the refusal of the Harney County Sheriff’s offer of safe passage – Ammon and LaVoy told the Sheriff directly that they would consider his offer at a later date.  That is the LAST discussion prior to these events regarding any demand made upon the leaders of the protest and occupation.  Thus, it should have been no surprise that LaVoy would have been caught off guard by this massive operation, and the massive show of force, and that LaVoy would specifically ask to go and speak to the Sheriff.  Now, it may have been that LaVoy was wanting to go and speak with the Sheriff of Grant County (where this all occurred).  It is widely known that unlike the Harney County Sheriff, Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer had publicly stated that the FBI should leave, and that the federal government should engage in a discussion of the grievances of the protesters.  Quite literally, according to Victoria’s account, the massive ambush and use of force was employed by the FBI in response to LaVoy trying to go to the man in government and law enforcement that was most receptive to his prior request for safety and protection.  That same man, Sheriff Palmer is also the central law enforcement figure in the county where this incident took place.   This may not have occurred to anyone yet, but given that I work in the legal world for a living – an act to prevent LaVoy and others from petitioning for relief from the duly authorized Sheriff is ALSO quite possibly a felony violation of federal law, by the government – in fact, the same federal law under which these parties have now all been charged.  The scheme of the FBI clearly interfered with the Sheriff’s ability to exercise his duty, and these citizens’ right to petition Sheriff Palmer.  While the FBI could defend itself by saying that an arrest would only be a temporary restriction and both Sheriff Palmer and these parties could talk later – by implementing their plan, directly in response to LaVoy invoking this choice – that defense would be more difficult, particularly given that LaVoy is dead.

In any event, the significant consideration here is that law enforcement clearly had inside help.  During my visit to the Refuge I observed purported militia members acting suspiciously and apparently giving reports of the travel plans for Ammon and Ryan Payne to someone outside and this included details of the timing of this very incident, less than 24 hours before it occurred.  In fact, while I didn’t know it at the time, the subject of the conversation was a printed flyer advertising last night’s events – in Grant County where Ammon and Ryan were invited to be the speakers.  Think about this, and the timing.  It was widely reported, including by the New York Times, that Ammon and LaVoy had already reached out to Sheriff Palmer.  Why?  Because Sheriff Palmer is a member of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA), had previously been that organizations “lawman of the year” and had openly challenged the jurisdiction of federal agents in his county. In fact, LaVoy knew that Sheriff Palmer had publicly challenged the notion that federal agents had any law enforcement or policing authority in Grant County, outside of the confines of the federal court house.  Now, a community event was scheduled and Ammon and LaVoy and Ryan had been invited.  It seems quite likely, that the federal government intervened, how and when it did, to prevent Ammon, Ryan and LaVoy from securing any further sympathy or assistance from Sheriff Palmer and/or the people of Grant County.  Think this is too conspiratorial?  NBCNEWS.COM is reporting the same thing.  Pete Williams recently published, “The decision to carry out the arrests was set into motion when the defiant leaders left the refuge Tuesday to attend a community meeting in the town of John Day.”  Given the massive show of force and preparation (snipers in the woods, road block etc.) and the short amount of travel time, this “decision to carry out the arrests” was pre-planned and prepared and when Ammon and LaVoy and Ryan decided they were going for sure – the plan was “set into motion.”   I should also note, that everyone at the Refuge knew something was different, and early in the morning there were reports of planes landing nearby in the dark, and of pre-positioned supplies staged by the government around the perimeter.

Finally, all of this makes more troubling, any accounts by purported patriot groups or supposed militia members, that directly contradict Ammon and Victoria, based on nothing more than hearsay.   As we speak, the Refuge is under siege, with the last remaining holdouts still refusing to surrender.  The live video stream has revealed that the remaining armed resistance supporting the occupation are independent supporters with the exception of a few “3 Percenters” and one or two from outside militias.    Where are the Oath Keepers?  Where is the perimeter other groups openly told the FBI that they were establishing to “prevent another Waco?”

Wherever they are, the organized militia groups are not at the Refuge, are not there to defend these last few occupiers who believe wholeheartedly that they are making a stand against tyranny, and who are now emboldened by the ambush and murder of LaVoy Finicum.   On their website Oath Keepers has a news report about events, and has published an official release from “The Pacific Patriots Network” issuing an “immediate “STAND BY” Order to all those who are mobilizing” in response to LaVoy’s murder, stating “[w]e will not pursue any action until all of the facts have been pieced together regarding the traffic stop and the arrest of Ammon Bundy.”  See the parroted language of the government about a purported “traffic stop?”  That is spin. Think I’m going to far?  Again, even NBCNWS has noticed.  Pete Williams also reports that “The FBI earlier described the stop as an “enforcement action” done by federal agents and Oregon State Police in connection with the occupation.” rather than as a routine “traffic stop.”   Finally, Brian Miller and the official “Three Percenter” club is now stating that its members should wait “until we can clear everything up” and is advising those who want “to go and get involved to stay away from the refuge I repeat stay away.”

What happened is clear.  Its the story being told that is getting all muddy, with all the hand wringing, posturing, and butt-covering.  Look, I’m always for cooler headers, rational thinking, and sound strategy.  But, that seems to be missing from Mr. McConnell and those spreading his hearsay, ironically after he has villified reports based upon one of only two actual eye-witnesses to the whole event – including LaVoy’s murder.

In the end, here is the truth.  The government could have, but didn’t prevent this.  The 3 Percenters could have, but didn’t prevent this.  The Oath Keepers, the Pacific Patriots Network and other militia groups, could have prevented this, but didn’t.  Blood has been spilled, as a significant group of Americans – from all walks of life and all over this country attempted to stand in resistance to tyranny.

Justice Scalia recently re-affirmed that “when the able-bodied men of a nation are trained in arms and organized, they are better able to resist tyranny.”  The fact that LaVoy is dead, one day shy of his 56th birthday, is a rebuke to those of us in the liberty movement.  It is a stinging rebuke.  We are not well trained or well organized, and we are certainly not united.

More than 60 years ago, the great scholar and Constitutional advocate J. Reuben Clark warned that “we stand in danger of losing our liberties, and that once lost, only blood will bring them back.” He also warned, “I say to you that the price of liberty is and always has been blood, human blood, and if our liberties are lost, we shall never regain them except at the price of blood.”

I have deep respect for these militia groups I’ve criticized, and I have deep respect for our country and its government.  I have come to love, respect and appreciate the Bundy’s and those who rallied with them, including LaVoy.  Among his last words to me were a proclamation of his faith in Christ and in this Country and in the Cause of Liberty.  He knew the risks involved, and he had a genuine, cheerful smile on his face – that accompanied what he profoundly risked.     But all of this is not enough.  Being “trained in arms and organized” means more than bravado, ammunition, big guns, and camouflage.  It means more than prominence and respectability for big groups and big names.    And it must also means more than Facebook and Twitter warriors, and less than credible alternative media reporters who advocate as much personal nonsense as they do principles of liberty.

If we want to recover from this stinging rebuke, we’ve got to do something that no generation of freedom loving people has yet done, since the time of America’s Founding.  We’ve got to be organized, as Jefferson predicted, from the great national government, down through the states and counties, to the individual households of our people.  We’ve got to be trained in arms and have organized militia’s but this is less than 1/7th of the blueprint.   We will never outgun or out militarize the United States or any of her states.  Thus, while force and militia’s are essential and invaluable, by themselves, they are the unorganized, infighting tragedy we’ve just witnessed.  We’ve got to build a full society of men and women who are committed to the principles of liberty as enshrined in the Declaration and the Constitution.   In addition to militias, we must command educational, financial, and media control – and this is all still only 50% of the blueprint.  I could tell you more, and outline the blueprint here – but that will have to be for a follow-up publication or broadcast.

In sum, every time a tragedy like this happens, the hearts and minds of patriots are pricked, energy and passion flow, and the prevalent question is “what do we do now?”  If the reader is honest, I think this is the question that is before us today – all of us.  What do we do now?  That has been the question I heard first as a boy, and it has resounded even in my own liberty organizations – every time our failure increases its intensity and the cause of liberty is revealed to be failing.  Why?

I’ll tell you the answer.

Its because this is not a simple or quick fix.  It is not something one person, or a small group can do.  Its not a hobby or a club.  It is not for the feint of heart, and it is not for broken homes and broken marriages that bicker over budgets and neglect children for fleeting hobbies. We have to rise above and work though these things.  And, as a side note – a commitment to liberty can do that.  The path forward requires dedicated Americans.  Dedicated, red-blooded Americans from all walks of life, from all of our varied subgroups and subcultures, who are REALLY willing to stand up for freedom no matter the case – and unite under the banner of liberty.  But, even this is still not enough.  It takes a blueprint, so we can build a veritable liberty based society that can quickly and powerfully correct America’s course, and powerfully and uncompromisingly influence the course of her institutions – its churches, its schools, its governments, its medicine, its businesses, its culture and its play.  That, my friends, is  a tall order, so tall – that the vast majority of our patriots either give up, tune out, wimp out – or minimize and marginalize to focus on only a small piece of this puzzle.    But, that won’t due.

When I last talked with LaVoy he was fascinated as I explained to him why I had come to talk with him, to discuss this circumstance of the occupation and to visit with Ammon and Ryan face-to-face.  I told him that I saw the heart, the Spirit of the Lord, and the conviction of these patriots, that I could see it in their eyes, and in their actions and in how they had comported themselves.   I told him that I was undeniably required to show him and Ammon and Ryan and the others my respect and love.  But, I also told him about a broader view, and throughout the day, I  told him that while I didn’t want to be critical or suggest that anything in the liberty movement or in the efforts of these protesters at the Refuge was bad, or wrong, or misguided – I did tell him squarely, that it needed to be pushed forward, advanced, and taken up to the next level.  I told him that I respected what he and Ammon and the others were doing, and that I only wanted to see their goals successful, and that I had some experience and insight and an small, rebuilding group of liberty lovers spread across this nation who could help with the larger, overall cause.  He agreed, and smiled hopefully.  He arranged for us to meet with several of the key people at the Refuge, and we spent the day there.  It was quite a day.  Towards the evening we were able to listen to Ryan’s presentation and then start to share this same perspective of the broader blueprint with Ryan and Ammon and others.  But, that was just the beginning.

Yesterday, those with eyes to see, saw an undeniable reality check, about where we stand with our freedoms and liberty, and how overstretched and oppressive federal and state law enforcement has become.  We cannot deny how quick to anger we as a people have become – especially through our government.  We cannot deny how slow to reason, to act in good faith, and how intolerant are our government agencies and their bureaucrats.  We also saw how futile are our best efforts are- even through groups like I’ve mentioned.  We fight our enemies and ourselves, and liberty suffers – and blood is spilled.  In the end – we saw the deliberate and strategic ambush and subsequent murder of Robert “LaVoy” Finicum.  Whatever others think of him, he was an American.  He was a man committed to a cause – and that cause was liberty!  The world is not better with him dead, our government is weaker with these horrible acts of tyranny and the people who know what is going on – are heart-broken, stunned, and many are angry.  Hopefully.

Today, we have friends in jail.  The US Attorney says they will be arraigned about 5 minutes after I publish this – after that they will prosecuted by a United States Attorney with the full force of our government and the financial and legal resources it commands.   These friends will need defended.  That will take resources, good minds, and passionate support.  I here publicly pledge mine.  Anyone who has direct contact with these men and woman are invited to reach out to me directly – I will help.

LaVoy confessed to the media that he believed freedom was sometimes more important than life.  He has proved his sincerity.  Have we?  His test in this life is over.  Ours is not.  How much more blood must be spilled – before YOU, my friend reading this, will make a choice?

Do you think you’ve already made the choice? Do you already stand for liberty?  Me too.  But it is not enough!  Self-evidently it is not enough.  We have got to advance this cause.  We have got to elevate our power and effectiveness.  Too many Americans are living lives of quiet desperation – in all areas – while the tyranny of unjust men marches forward.   It is simply not enough.  Whatever you’ve said to yourself up until now, Robert “LaVoy” Finicum is a new witness, in a long line of witnesses – inviting us to pick up the torch and carry it further.  But, we HAVE to carry it further.  We have to build a real, veritable liberty society of patriots – or we lose.

We’ve been loosing a lot lately – politically, legally, socially, economically, etc.  But, the cause of liberty will not lose. We can accomplish what no prior group of Americans has accomplished – we can finish the work of our Founder’s revolution and take liberty, prosperity and peace – even further. Let us come together.  Let us awake and arise.  I know that some of you, a few of you, can “hear” me.  Let’s go. I invite you to reach out.  Make contact with each other, with other lover’s of liberty – and with me.  We’ve got to help our friends.  What an example they have been.  We’ve got to stand for liberty.  This is not just about ranchers – its about all Americans.

We’ve got to do it based upon principles – and a strategic blueprint that can win!

Its a tall order.  A very tall order.  Nevertheless, it can be done.  If not us, who?  If not now, when?

If you only hope that is true – reach out.  Make contact.  I’ll show you.

— End

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34 Responses to The Ambush and Murder of Robert “LaVoy” Finicum

  1. StBernardnot says:

    One of these sites had pictures of Sheriff Palmer at the site of the murder. Did he set them up? Personally, I don’t trust any cops.

    • BMF says:

      You are wise. No one in law enforcement should EVER be trusted. People who care about freedom, justice, morality, and honor — and who understand the meaning of these — wouldn’t even dream of enforcing many of the laws in the US today. Nor would they be willing to help protect the system as a whole by being part of it.

  2. Martist says:

    In the 18th paragraph there is a link to click for “live video stream”.

    Interesting chatter between some commentors on jootube regarding someone asking about signing release forms. Not sure if it’s a snipe hunt or hasbara cointelpro. Just found it odd.

    • Martist says:

      https://youtu.be/rXJgk6wr9D4

      Granted, intelliflub is involved but for what it’s worth…

      • Enbe says:

        I don’t find the use of a “talent release” so suspect in itself – it only seems to be lingo in the video biz for permission to use someone’s image or voice, but what I do find interesting is the rush to turn off the live feed at that point. Guess we’ll see as the info and disinfo continue to leak.

        • Martist says:

          That’s what got my hackles up too, Enbe. It was during live feed so immediate damage control would be necessary, if it were orchestrated of course. All key players so far, save for a few disposable lower levels, have some ties with much to gain. Not sure if regular press had access at that point in time or location. Still looking for that needle in the proverbial haystack . ..

  3. Johnny Reb says:

    Where do we sign up in the Chattanooga area to go to war against the FED’s? Does ANY Militia group have what it takes to go against our Communist ZOG, Federal government or have they been infiltrated and taken over by the Communist, Bolshevik Jews? I haven’t heard of any group going door to door looking for recruits in my Tennessee neighborhood. How about yours? Do Americans want Communism? Because that’s what we have!

  4. Johnny Reb says:

    Why don’t we ambush them on the roads…..it would be too easy.

  5. Han Solo says:

    Jesus what the f#@k is everyone waiting for…a patriot was just murdered in cold blood with his hands in the air. isn’t your blood boiling?!

  6. Johnny Reb says:

    No more Wacos right? We are going to war now right?

  7. Uglier-n-Sin says:

    Hey Reb, Are you for real? Please tell me that you are being sarcastic. You do realize what the enemy’s plan is. That the “new order” comes out of chaos. If you think what you see is bad, buckle up, the worst is on the way. The feds will come out of hiding and present us with an offer we can’t refuse. Something like turn in your guns and we will protect you. They will present themselves as the solution to the problems they created. To participate in their economy you will have to do it their way. Live where they tell you, do what they say, etc… That is when, not before, because you don’t stand a chance. Please don’t goad others into jumping the gun. It will accomplish nothing. Wait until the lines are clearly drawn, and then give it all you’ve got. Look at the comments on other articles about this standoff. The people are still divided and unconvinced. I believe the country is already lost. The King rules by decree. The congress is impotent. The judges are partisan. The economy is in free fall. It won’t be too long.

    • Johnny Reb says:

      We should have been at war ten years ago. ARE YOU FOR REAL OR SOME TROLL? The Communist Feds have just murdered a patriot in cold blood! GO CRAWL AWAY YOU PIECE OF COMMUNIST FILTH!

      • # 1 NWO Hatr says:

        “The Communist Feds have just murdered a patriot in cold blood!”

        You know this for a cold, hard fact because you witnessed it, or know someone personally who did, right?

        There ARE other possibilities. Very little is what it appears to be these days.

        • Johnny Reb says:

          Know I live in Tennessee, but there are at least two witnesses who saw him murdered and they sound like they are telling the truth. If the FED’s aren’t Communists then what the hell are they? I would rather die than live under Communism…if you think the FEDs are so great then you can join them!

          • # 1 NWO Hatr says:

            What’s your problem, dude? All I’m saying is that we need to do some serious investigating before we all jump on the first version of the ‘official’ story out the starting gate. I’ve seen it happen time and again, it has a nasty habit of coming back to bite you in the @ss. Now, if you have irrefutable evidence, I’m MORE than willing to review it

            Until enough credible evidence is revealed, I’m keeping an open mind on this one.

          • Millard says:

            #1, what’s your opinion on this woman’s testimony as to eye-witnessing account of him getting out of the truck, hands in the air, and shot to the pavement. Then, as if that wasn’t enough, they walk up and shoot him 6 more times even though no guns were found in the vehicle or “on person”. Sanctioned murder and I agree with Henry, the Sheriff’s responsible for it. Oh, I think she also said he told them, with hands in the air, “What ya gonna do, shoot me?”

            Well, at least we know how unheeding they are at this point. Power Trips do strange things to a guy’s way of thinking. They start to feel invincible, imposing their dogma on everyone they encounter. That’s kinda a good thing, it helps bring on rage.

        • # 1 NWO Hatr says:

          Millard @ 7:09…

          I’m going to wait until more pieces of the puzzle fall into place before I make a determination on this one.

          I’m done chasin’ that wiper, I’m just going to sit back & watch for a bit.

          • Millard says:

            No problem, brother. I’m just throwing it out there. When I listened to her on Henry’s broadcast, she sounded fairly credible, just sayin’.
            There’s little doubt that some group is out there working to take over whatever movement is still left. Personally, I think it’s a “done deal” already and all that’s left to do is lay the cards down, and hopefully those “half-dozen” holdouts heed Bundy’s message and go home. There’s another day.

            Otherwise, well, you know how the Feds are. It won’t be pretty.

      • Uglier-n-Sin says:

        You are most certainly a troll. With your lack of depth and outright stupidity, in calling openly and not through secure channels, for a retaliation that cannot succeed. I was a patriot long before you were born. You give your age away with your lack of discretion. The only reason I write to you …oh brave asshat, is because you will undo what others are working on by bringing things to bear before the fruit is ripe.

        • # 1 NWO Hatr says:

          Agreed.

          Unfortunately, even stupid f%&ktards can have their say here, as long as they hide the fact that they’re trolls well enough.

          This @sswipe is a serious piece of sh#t.

    • Mary Phipps-Seward says:

      We are between the rock and the hard place here……..I’d love to see a run on each state capitol and D.C. But, you know they’re just waiting for an insurrection so that martial law can be declared. We saw a snippet of what can go down in Boston after the bombing. Our response needs to be one of brains more than brawn. The truth is without us they’re nothing. We need to withdraw our support from their system……our money, our talents and our efforts. Bring this country to a screeching halt!

  8. James says:

    My condolences to the family,while just part of the bigger picture this started with the Hammonds,if not already,please sign petition for their release.Yes,I know probably fruitless,but,at least we tried to get things done peacefully.I unfortunately feel this is just the beginning,hope to meet some of you on the other side of this though believe this will be decades long struggle.

  9. 15Fixer says:

    Reposted at WRSA

  10. Johnny Reb says:

    # 1 NWO Hatr, I thought we had an agreement to speak to each other, which I have kept…and you haven’t. How is that you can make it so that I can’t reply to you? You’re Henry aren’t you?

    • # 1 NWO Hatr says:

      Thanks for reminding me. I totally forgot. I’ll have to start writing names down, the list of stupid people is getting longer now.

      Won’t happen again.

  11. Johnny Reb says:

    Eye witness account! https://youtu.be/t9ja3NJfxUo

  12. Samuel says:

    There is a LOT of chatter about who did what, when is the right time, who is who… Lmets clear the air here and get back to basics. We are under the rule of a tyrannical and evil empire. I think no one is debating that? At some point, someone will have to make a move. I know, I’ve heard it all…”but we have to have the moral high ground”. What moral high ground? People are dying…every day. War is morality agnostic. It is blind. There is an objective and a means to complete the objective. The only difference between the world we live in today and the one that everyone wishes we lived in is the ability to close our eyes and step off the cliff. That’s it. It is so hard and so simple all at the same time. So when is the right time? Why put off tomorrow what we can do today? If we don’t it will come anyhow. Soon people will starve and nature will compel the hungry to kill for their survival.

    • Johnny Reb says:

      I agree, we should have been at war with the Communist who control this country long ago. It wouldn’t matter for the “COWARDLY wait and seers” if everyone had been murdered or just LaVoy. Either the major militia’s have been infiltrated by the Communist Jews or Americans are the biggest armed cowards in history to put up with the ZOG Communist government for as long as they have! I think it’s mostly the former…for the most part Americans are feed up and ready to fight but there is a lack of trustworthy leadership, surely none can be found in the major state militias or militia radio shows.

    • Martist says:

      Some of us have given up life as what we’ve known it already. The most important things to us, for this fight. We’re not fence sitting but making the most of what’s left. We’ve only got 1 (ONE) card left. We’re gonna make it count.

      Firsthand experience speaking. Former father of the year award winner now speaking from an empty home.

      It’ll still be worth it it to hit em when it’s gonna hurt them the most.

  13. Joe (JSTP) says:

    Hears something to think about:
    In southern Cal. Police shot hundreds of bullets into SUV everyone dies, two people found on floorboard.

    In burns, 4 or 5 people in SUV police fire 120 rounds and no one dies?

    Maybe it was time to give up and save face!

  14. Johnny Reb says:

    Whether the LaVoy story is true or not, ZOG has a message for those watching; “This is what will happened to you if you resist our control” you will be killed, imprisoned or worse. They are telling you not to resist them. To that I say BS. If even one million stood up to them ZOG’s Communist Cops would be put down in 48 hours!

  15. SWIFT says:

    Snipers in the trees at the “traffic stop”? I guess no ambush is complete without a little drama. I always expect a big helping of drama when the FBI drama queens are involved. LeVoy Finicum was murdered and it was attempted murder of all others in LeVoy’s vehicle. Victoria Sharp says the FBI fired first. Then she reports that around 20 laser light sights, are on the occupants of the vehicle. Ryan Bundy survives the murder attempt. Are the FEDS going to claim he shot himself? Don’t think that it too far fetched, as the FEDS have had a couple days to “salt the scene”, with manufactured evidence. It is not a fact yet, but I see more and more evidence of the FEDS fabricating testimony. The U.S. Attorney has dirty hands and it will take more than three washings to clean them up. His trying to down play an ambush into a traffic stop, via the media, is pure bullshit. Another dung beetle in the swarm. My prayers go out to those families and participants of this murderous plot.

  16. rick says:

    To rely on the good graces of an opponent possessing a superior force not to use that force is especially ridiculous when that opponent has proven they cannot be trusted. This reminds me of a comment I read on a gun forum the other week.

    In that comment, it was pointed out that is seems quite silly to rely on the courts (govt) to provide redress of grievances resulting from atrocities wrought by govt. While this method is in compliance with the US Constitution, does the same apply when it is an over reaching govt, and out of control govt, staffed by employees abusing their authority?

    I have been and am in opposition to sabotage and vigilantism a la Edward Abbey and his ilk. However, there has to be a point when we just start shooting. This does mot mean that I am agitating for this kind of action. I am looking for the balance between compliance in to good governance and the resistance to the powers which threaten that.

    How much time must pass, how many intolerable acts shall we accept before we act decisively? Consider also that as time passes, the just cause will likely become more difficult to attain.

  17. mary says:

    excellent article

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