The first 3 are the old, sick or weak, they ‘Take the Point’ and set the pace for the entire pack. If it was the other way round they would be left behind, losing contact with the pack. In case of an ambush they could be sacrificed for the survival of the Tribe …
Then come 5 strong ones, the Front Line;
In the center are the rest of the pack members;
Then the 5 strongest following.
The Last is alone, the Alpha Male, the Commander General; he controls everything with his wisdom, experience and foresight from the rear.
In that position he can see ALL and decide the appropriate Course of Conduct to take as he sees every member of the pack as his own, and necessary for his survival.
The pack moves according to the elders’ pace and they help each other; watch over each other.
Again I am left speechless by nature. I knew that wolves were different but didn’t realize how much we could and should learn from them!
I didn’t know wolves put the elders of the pack FIRST … a lot of people on this planet should take note as they are to be seen up front, setting the pace while enjoying the protection of the rest of the tribe all the way back to the end of the line.
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GrayRider, did you actually see this pack and take the picture?
Very awesome.
In the 1800s large packs like that were tearing into trapper and settler cabins. The wolves then were half the body size of these since the wolves that have been reintroduced are a larger strain from the far north. For the moment the food supply both wild and the haul they take from the local ranchers is rich enough that they are not yet going after 2-legged prey. But if humanity reaches a point of being unable to sustain itself politically and the civ in the US goes down, that awesomeness will become instant competitors with humans for a very limited and finite food supply that is no longer managed, because when people starve, management goes out the window. That’s when the awesomeness will come calling…first in rural areas, then school yards. But wait, most modern schools are not like those in early America where the teachers were armed for a variety of reasons…or at least knew how to work a rifle or hand gun.
Yeah awesome is not the word I would use. A pack this size fears nothing…not even man. But most people ill informed enough to think such a sight is awesome is remiss in their history and wildlife ecology. And generally such a person is not a food producer or you would be a bit more circumspect about predators. The lack of food producers in this country when the liberty community has warned and warned America to prep their communities not just their own homes is even scarier than such an “awesome” sight. When you don’t produce the things you need in life then your dependency makes you a slave to be influenced and controlled by those who control distribution of limited resources. The omega in that pack is subservient to the alpha pair. Civilized perspectives are a rich mans diet. As long as you can afford civility you may be able to obtain it. When the cost becomes too high, then the field of play is leveled and the spoils of survival go not to the most appreciative but rather the fittest, and most forceful, or best equipped. Not the message you’d like to hear, I know but sometimes truth is what you need to hear in order to choose more wisely than before.
I must say I’m pleasantly surprised to have made the ignorant praise of awesome as I would not have gotten the wise rebuke nor the education you provided.
Honestly, several of the points you made I’d not considered in depth. Actually, I have dealt with predators regarding livestock but certainly not in this number nor ferociousness.
We do have packs of coyotes that can be heard at night, and on rare occasions seen during the day. Honestly, I have not studied their behavior to know if they would become like the wolves in a break down situation.
You’ve given me much to study and learn, and thanks for taking the time to say what you did.
Katie,
Have you ever seen the 1983 movie “Never Cry Wolf”? Check it out. 😉
No, but I’ll add it to my watch list, thanks, Angel.
Good movie
Angel, as usual, you mention something I have in the back of my head–when I saw that wolf pix, that movie is exactly what it reminded me of! (But out here, it isn’t wolves, yet, but coyotes and javelinas…and they can also be dangerous.)
Keep in mind also,
In a societal break down, feral dogs will be an issue as well. Think of how many dogs are in America.
I have seen packs of feral dogs in southern Illinois around Marion, and surrounding small cities back in the early 90’s during a week and a half helping folks move this way.
Excellent point. I hadn’t given the 4 legged creatures much thought in a breakdown scenario,mostly concentrating on the 2 legged ones.
I see I need to adjust my focus here.
Thanks, Hal Apeeno.
Some of the two leggers, will be dispatched by the four leggers.
Some of the two legger’s will be left for the four legger’s by us. 🙂
You are welcome Katie.
Cyrellys, your objection to the use of “awesome” here seems rather bizarre. Plenty of sights are widely considered to be awesome and spectacular by those who also fully understand the dangers they represent. Examples include tornados, nuclear explosions…and large wolf packs.
As for defending against attacks by dangerous predators after a civilizational collapse, sturdy shelters backed up by guns will serve that purpose just fine.
Agreed.
Smoke a pack a day ! Shoot, shovel, shutup !
Just don’t get caught killing an endangered species. 😉
Great photo, GrayRider. Did you take it?
Good argument for a 30 round magazine
Laura did NOT post my comments below the pic; Booo hoo;~(
The first 3 are the old, the sick or weak who ‘Take the Point’ and set the pace for the entire pack. If it was the other way round they would be left behind, losing contact with the pack. In case of an ambush they could be sacrificed for the survival of the Tribe (but 5 Strong are behind them)!
So then come the 5 strong ones, the Front Line Force;
In the center are the rest of the pack members who can scatter and run if needs be;
Then the 5 strongest following; the Back-up Team!
The Last is alone, the Alpha Male, the Commander General; he controls everything with his wisdom, foresight and experience from the rear.
In that position he can see ALL and decide the appropriate Course of Conduct to take as he sees every member of the pack as his own, and necessary for his own survival.
The pack moves according to the elders’ pace and they help each other; watch over each other.
Again I am left speechless by nature. I knew that wolves were different but didn’t realize how much we could and should learn from them!
I didn’t know wolves put the elders of the pack FIRST … a lot of people on this planet should take note as they are to be seen up front, setting the pace while enjoying the protection of the rest of the tribe all the way back to the end of the line.
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That’s a huge pack, and there’s a lot of killing going on to feed that crew. I’ve only seen seven in my local pack, and they know the sound of my door opening to let the dog out. (I go out with him)
When they’re in the area they work their way around my perimeter when they hear us go outside, and I know they’re not here for the veggie scraps I throw out for the rabbits.
Isle Royal is 23 miles off the point of Minnesota, in Lake Superior. (Actually, it’s a Michigan Island)
Camped and hiked there in June of ’82. Ranger said there were 16 wolves known to be on the island at that time.
Seen their tracks (some at our camp site), and turds, but never actually saw any wolf.
Also seen the largest moose I ever saw, even up to today. That Big Daddy was a quite as a church mouse. My brother tapped me on the shoulder and pointed at this massive head and antlers sticking through the third growth.
I will never forget that! Awesome!
Thanks for fixing it Laura … to bad you couldn’t attach the music;~(
No guys, I didn’t take the pic … it looks to be arial photography.