It’s an odd question, we know – especially ahead of today’s Stress Tests, but given today’s testimony on assessing the bank secrecy act, apparent trouble-maker Elizabeth Warren pokes and prods (correctly we would add) at the surreality that exists between the Department of Justice, The Treasury, and the financial system. David Cohen, Tom Curry, and Jerome Powell dodged bullets and blame, “does that mean essentially we have a prosecution-free zone for large banks in America?” But Warren wasn’t going to be fobbed off with useless banter as she pointed out, “if you’re caught with an ounce of cocaine, the chances are good you’re going to go to jail… for the rest of your life. But evidently, if you launder nearly a billion dollars for drug cartels and violate our international sanctions, your company pays a fine and you go home and sleep in your own bed at night – I think that’s fundamentally wrong.” Indeed Ms. Warren.
Here is the transcript – note the Treasury officials never actually answer anything…
WARREN: … As Senator Reed just pointed out, the United States government takes money laundering very seriously for a very good reason. …
Now in December, HSBC admitted to money laundering. To laundering $881 million that we know of for Mexican and Colombian drug cartels. And also admitted to violating our sanctions for Iran, Libya, Cuba, Burma, the Sudan. And they didn’t do it just one time. It wasn’t like a mistake. They did it over and over and over again across a period of years. And they were caught doing it. Warned not to do it. And kept right on doing it. And evidently making profits doing it.
Now HSBC paid a fine, but no one individual went to trial. No individual was banned from banking. And there was no hearing to consider shutting down HSBC’s activities here in the United States. So what I’d like is, you’re the experts on money laundering. I’d like your opinion. What does it take?How many billions of dollars do you have to launder for drug lords and how many economic sanctions do you have to violate before someone will consider shutting down a financial institution like this? Mr. Cohen, can we start with you?
COHEN: Certainly Senator. No question the activity that was the subject of the enforcement action against HSBC was egregious…
WARREN: But let me just move you along here on the point Mr. Cohen. My question is, given that this is what you did, what does it take to get you to move towards even a hearing? Even considering shutting down banking operations for money laundering?
COHEN: Senator, we at the Treasury Department under OFAC and (ph) authority, we don’t have the authority to shut down a financial institution…
WARREN: I understand that. I’m asking, in your opinion, you are the ones who are supposed to be the experts on money laundering. You work with everyone else, including the Department of Justice. In your opinion, how many billions of dollars do you have to launder for drug lords, before somebody says, we’re shutting you down?
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WARREN: … And I’m asking, what does it take, even to say, here’s where the line is. We’re going to draw a line here, and if you cross that line, you’re at risk for having your bank closed?
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COHEN: But I’m not going to get into some hypothetical line drawing exercise.
WARREN: Well it’s somewhere beyond $881 million of drug money.
COHEN: Well Senator the actions, and I’m sure the regulators can address this issue. The actions that we took in the HSBC case, we thought were appropriate in that instance.
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WARREN: So what you’re saying to me is you are responsible for these banks, and again, I read your testimony and you talk about the importance of vigorous enforcement here. But you’re telling me you have no view when it’s appropriate to consider even a hearing to raise the question of whether or not these banks should have to close their operations when they engage in money laundering for drug cartels?
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WARREN: I understand that I’m over my time. And I’ll just say here, if you’re caught with an ounce of cocaine, the chances are good you’re going to go to jail. If it happens repeatedly you may go to jail for the rest of your life. But evidently, if you launder nearly a billion dollars for drug cartels and violate our international sanctions, your company pays a fine and you go home and sleep in your own bed at night. Every single individual associated with this. I just, I think that’s fundamentally wrong.
I didn`t read the entire article but I would have to say that ” until all oveerdoses are at there profit”, in other words, how does it feal for them guys to be respopnsible for all of those drug overdose!!!! I had some of my best freinds that haved died because of people like you F`n dope dealers.They never would have died if drugs were legalized!!! And I am not even goig to speak for myself , if ya`ll know what I`m sayin` I havee over 50 yr.s undeer my belt so F them – ( have always done better with than with out. JUST PERSONAL EXPERIENCE> 50 yr.s worth of experience and they say I am sick – well i don`t think so. I NEVER CARED FOR WHAT THEY SAAAAY,AND I NEVER CARED FOR WHAT THEY THEY DOOOOOO NOOOOO, BUT I DO KNOW.. – Ya`ll know what – after 50 yr.s of drug addictions – I have never known a drug addict that didn`t really care about people – every single one cared about people. Every one did. ya`ll don`t believe me then just ask millard about me and MK Ultra and me and then addiction.
Don’t drag me into this deal.
Don`t you ever forget who your freinds are millard.
She should be applauded for actually standing up and saying something. But why does nothing happen? the banks don’t have to curb their business after breaking all our laws? What about the facts she raised? If I was caught laundering even a fraction of that money at my local bank, I would go to prison for life, for drug trafficking. But if the bank president does it on an enormous scale, it’s just a regulatory issue, to be handled with a fine?
Anyone know how to open ur own bank i have 3 or 4 tonnes of pure columbian!
This report is a sham. A propaganda action. Why would Warren, or any one, appeal to a group of people that never do any thing to prevent any illegal activities by any administration or group, or individuals highly connected? What is she trying to make us believe about her? What brownie points is she trying to get, and from whom?
The fact is that we do not know what legal provision/s was HSBC excused by/under, if any? If we knew that then we could use it as a legal precedent if any of us were caught doing any thing as HSBC got caught doing.
Actually all we have to do if we get caught laundering dope money is say, “I want the same immunity as HSBC” and they will immediately let us go, because we all know that the policies in this country are absolute and justice is met out with absolute equality to all men and women.
F#@king stupid contention.
Senator Warren may be the only one that I would spare the rope. She best be careful before she gets “Wellstoned”.
My Fellow Americans:
The profits from the dope trade and money laundering are going to the
U.S. Govt, Justice Dept, NATO, banks, etc. The profits off drug trafficking are being kept secret from us. The profits off the drug trade belong to the American people to fund our social services, Medicare, Soc. Sec., etc. We have been hoodwinked. NOBODY goes to jail because those rich bankers will squeal on the U.S. Govt’s role in dope trafficking. In June, they all meet at the “grove” (Bohemian Grove) to count their profits and laugh at us. Legalize it all and bring them all to their knees. The profits off the dope trade are being stolen from the American people. WE ARE THE MARKET and the profits are ours!